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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 25 Nov 2014, 01:21:43

The store that Brown robbed to start with, has now been looted in the riot:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ATCH: STORE ROBBED BY BROWN LOOTED ON NATIONAL TV
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/11/24/Watch-Store-Robbed-by-Brown-Looted-on-National-TV


Sheesh, that poor shop owner. You'd think police could have protect that one shop at least.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby GHung » Tue 25 Nov 2014, 01:28:08

Thanks, Six..... I get the feeling you've led a protected life. Welcome to civilization.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 25 Nov 2014, 01:30:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wildbourgman', 'I') looks like the officer is innocent.


According the grand jury evidence, the police officer says Brown scuffled with him and Brown was going for his gun. And then Wilson drew his gun and said to stop or he'd shoot and he says that Brown told him "you're too much of a pussy to shoot."

I haven't watched all this I don't know all the evidence but it's been released. It sounds like despite multiple shots, Brown would not surrender. There was blood dna in the car, and on the door.

It sounds like even after being shot, he came back at the cop.

Bottom line -- he treated that cop like the cop is just another hood on the street and not a law officer.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')erguson Witnesss Told Investigators That Michael Brown Charged Cop "Like a Football Player. Head Down"
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/darren-wilson/witnesss-said-brown-charged-wilson-897043
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 25 Nov 2014, 01:34:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', 'T')hanks, Six..... I get the feeling you've led a protected life. Welcome to civilization.


Well I don't know about that, but I know:

* I voted Obama twice, but yep I don't want to be "the white guy in the hood." Those are very dangerous situations. I've got parts of my own town that you simply do not even want to drive through, at all, the danger level is *palpable*.

* Friend of a friend was a black male dental assistant. Worked hard, did everything right, made top dollar was great at his job, pulled himself out of the ghetto. Then he got shot dead one night, visiting his parents back in the ghetto part of town. He saw someone getting beaten up at a stop sign and he stopped and rolled his window down to tell them to stop / be a good samaritan.

The hoodlum shot him dead, right there, in his car. This never made national news. It was just a one article local story, not much written about it, just another one of the homicides in my county every year.

We've had British tourists shot dead, in the ghetto. I've seen those in the Daily Mail, and my local paper, but it's not national news -- just another homicide. If I can give any kind of advice to European tourists, for the Love of God you need to know where are you are driving! Get some maps, asks locals, and be damn sure where you are not supposed to be driving through.

So yeah, I know about reality of things.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 25 Nov 2014, 02:05:23

Summary of officer Wilson's testimony. If anyone is going to have an opinion on this, they should read Wilson's actual testimony:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ere Is Cop Darren Wilson's Official Account Of The Michael Brown Shooting

Wilson told the grand jury that he initially stopped Brown and his friend Dorian Johnson for walking in the street. While he was telling Brown and Johnson to get on the sidewalk, he told the jury, he noticed that Brown was carrying a handful of Cigarillos and realized that he'd heard a call earlier that day for a robbery involving the small cigars.

He said he then radioed for another car.

"I go to open the [police cruiser] door and I say, hey, come here for a minute to Brown," Wilson said in his testimony. "As I'm opening the door, he turns, faces me, looks at me and says, 'What the f--k are you going to do about it,' and shuts my door, slammed it shut."

Wilson said he then opened his door again and used it to push Brown back. Wilson said Brown grabbed the door again and he saw Brown coming into the cruiser. Wilson said Brown then punched him in the face.

Brown then reportedly turned to Johnson to hand him the Cigarillos. Wilson tried holding him back, according to the testimony.

"When I grabbed him, the only way I can describe it is I felt like a five-year-old holding onto Hulk Hogan," Wilson said.

He said Brown then hit him again.

At that point, Wilson said, he thought using his mace would be too dangerous because Brown reportedly had his hands in front of his face and the mace could have gotten onto Wilson and prevented him from being able to see.

Wilson then grabbed his gun. He said he warned Brown that he was going to shoot if Brown didn't get back, but Brown reportedly grabbed his gun and said "you are too much of a p---y to shoot me."

Brown reportedly then dug Wilson's gun into Wilson's hip. Wilson said he could feel Brown's fingers reaching for the trigger.

Wilson eventually regained control of his gun and tried to fire it two times without it working properly. On the third try, a shot fired through his car door, Wilson said.

After this, Wilson said, Brown "had the most intense aggressive face."

"It looks like a demon, that's how angry he looked," Wilson told the grand jury.


Brown reportedly hit Wilson again. Wilson fired another shot from his car.

"When I look up after that, I see him start to run and I see a cloud of dust behind him," Wilson told the jury. He then radioed for more cars, he said.

Wilson and Brown then started running. Brown eventually stopped, and Wilson said he stopped behind him, telling him to get on the ground.

"He turns, and when he looked at me, he made like a grunting, like aggravated sound and he starts, he turns and he's coming back towards me," Wilson said. "His first step is coming towards me, he kind of does like a stutter step to start running. When he does that, his left hand goes in a fist and goes to his side, his right one goes under his shirt in his waistband and he starts running at me."

Wilson then started shooting. He said he doesn't remember how many shots he fired.

Brown is still coming at Wilson at this point, he said. Wilson then fired another round of shots.

"At this point it looked like he was almost bulking up to run through the shots, like it was making him mad that I'm shooting at him," Wilson said in the testimony.

Wilson continued telling Brown to get on the ground, and Brown kept coming at him, Wilson said.

Brown then started to lean forward "like he was going to tackle" Wilson as he got closer, according to the testimony.

"When he gets about that eight to 10 feet away, I look down, I remember looking at my sites and firing, all I see is his head and that's what I shot," Wilson said.

"I don't know how many, I know at least once because I saw the last one go into him. And then when it went into him, the demeanor on his face went blank, the aggression was gone, it was gone, I mean, I knew he stopped, the threat was stopped."
http://www.businessinsider.com/darren-wilson-grand-jury-testimony-2014-11


So, I was right all along. I was exactly right. He treated that cop EXACTLY like he treated the shop owner. Except a law officer isn't going to back down like a little shop clerk is. So Brown GOT THE FIGHT HE WAS LOOKING FOR -- the clerk backed down, the cop did not, so Brown attacked the cop right in his car, punched the cop in the face, went for his gun.

I was right, watch that original store robbery video -- that's the attitude he had dealing with that cop.

What are our police supposed to do? Do you just just let thugs rule the street, and back down, like the shop clerk did?

I've got CNN on, the female reporter is trying to do a live shot and she just got hit with a rock, on-air anchor is telling her to stop reporting and get to safety.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 25 Nov 2014, 03:13:58

Funny tweet:

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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby careinke » Tue 25 Nov 2014, 03:17:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')he thugs parents


Michael Brown had no criminal record, police say
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')n 18-year-old shot and killed near a Ferguson apartment complex Saturday afternoon had no criminal record, according to the St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney's office.

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Quick to judge others?

You need to turn off FOX, your brains are starting to leak out your ears.

Oh, I forgot. To racists, all blacks are guilty of something.


I saw the video of him taking the cigars. I have no problem at all calling someone demonstrating that type of behavior a thug. Or are you now claiming some grand conspiracy altering that video?

You don't have to be convicted to be a thug.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby MD » Tue 25 Nov 2014, 03:49:42

Used to be in this country you would see signs "Looters will be shot on sight".

Maybe that policy was too harsh, but its opposite is no better, as evidenced by tonight's video feeds.

It's idiotic.

Ignorance shitting its own nest, all over the place.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 25 Nov 2014, 07:25:42

I listened to the Prosecutors press conference and watched riot coverage until after midnite. Half a dozen african-american eye witnesses corroborated Officer Brown's version of events, as did forensic evidence from the police SUV and from the scene of the shooting as well as the autopsy report. Many of the witnesses who testified to the Grand Jury refused to speak to the press to protect their anonymity and prevent retaliation against them for telling what they witnessed in favor of the police.

Meanwhile a 12 year old boy was shot dead in Cleveland this weekend for pulling a toy gun on the police while in a public playground. Yet outside of Ohio has anyone heard of it? I certainly did not see it on CNN or FOX. The media picks and chooses what stories to report depending on their bias, just like the rest of us.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Tue 25 Nov 2014, 09:22:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '
')Meanwhile a 12 year old boy was shot dead in Cleveland this weekend for pulling a toy gun on the police while in a public playground. Yet outside of Ohio has anyone heard of it? I certainly did not see it on CNN or FOX. The media picks and chooses what stories to report depending on their bias, just like the rest of us.

I first saw the story of the 12 year old as the headline on the Drudge report, but it soon was dropped down the page. Fox and CNN have both mentioned it, Perhaps others as I did a lot of channel flipping last night looking for the best reporting and video. Fox had the snail tape tell about it and it said there was a video that showed what happened according to the police chief in question. Perhaps the video is such that it will be a non story?
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Tue 25 Nov 2014, 10:08:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'h')ttp://abc7news.com/news/grand-jury-does-not-indict-cop-in-michael-browns-death/409896/

You all knew it was coming, right?

Injustice is Served. Come get a heaping plate full.

Really Sid?
A cop shoots a felon that resists arrest , assaults the officer and tries to take his weapon? Where is the injustice there?
The thug brought his fists to a gun fight. Obviously not the sharpest pencil in the box.
His parents should have raised him better, and he is no loss to the community.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby wildbourgman » Tue 25 Nov 2014, 10:58:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')eally Sid?
A cop shoots a felon that resists arrest , assaults the officer and tries to take his weapon? Where is the injustice there?
The thug brought his fists to a gun fight. Obviously not the sharpest pencil in the box.
His parents should have raised him better, and he is no loss to the community.


If he is no loss to his community then why did the president of the United States send three white house officials to his funeral?
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby JuanP » Tue 25 Nov 2014, 11:00:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'M')eanwhile a 12 year old boy was shot dead in Cleveland this weekend for pulling a toy gun on the police while in a public playground. Yet outside of Ohio has anyone heard of it? I certainly did not see it on CNN or FOX. The media picks and chooses what stories to report depending on their bias, just like the rest of us.


I read the news at the Kremlin's RT.com news website early this morning.

I, mostly, no longer read or watch Western MSM because there are too few accurate facts there and too many biased opinions. As of around February, I only read non Western media and links I follow from PO.com. All the Chinese and Russian bashing got to such a ridiculous point that I completely stopped believing in Western MSM's lies.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Tue 25 Nov 2014, 11:36:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wildbourgman', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')eally Sid?
A cop shoots a felon that resists arrest , assaults the officer and tries to take his weapon? Where is the injustice there?
The thug brought his fists to a gun fight. Obviously not the sharpest pencil in the box.
His parents should have raised him better, and he is no loss to the community.


If he is no loss to his community then why did the president of the United States send three white house officials to his funeral?

To keep blacks voting democratic in spite of the fact that the Democratic party has not delivered any improvement to their standard of living.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby Quinny » Tue 25 Nov 2014, 12:14:00

I'm sure Obama sent people to try and defuse a very dangerous situation. To get the family and community on the side of peaceful protest and against violence.

Having been beaten by police when peacefully demonstrating, I know the police are often over aggressive. In the UK at least they don't normally have guns, but their attitude towards ethnic minorities can be terrible.

Over here in the UK it's becoming more usual/popular for people to film the police and it does seem to have curbed excessive behaviour to a certain extent.

From the evidence I've seen although the officer can be seen to having justification for using force, gunning down an unarmed guy seems IMHO excessive, especially as the officer said he had a mace spray available as well.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Tue 25 Nov 2014, 12:43:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'I')'m sure Obama sent people to try and defuse a very dangerous situation. To get the family and community on the side of peaceful protest and against violence.

Having been beaten by police when peacefully demonstrating, I know the police are often over aggressive. In the UK at least they don't normally have guns, but their attitude towards ethnic minorities can be terrible.

Over here in the UK it's becoming more usual/popular for people to film the police and it does seem to have curbed excessive behaviour to a certain extent.

From the evidence I've seen although the officer can be seen to having justification for using force, gunning down an unarmed guy seems IMHO excessive, especially as the officer said he had a mace spray available as well.

Being on camera tends to improve everybody's behavior, not just the police. 8)
The whole incident from call for backup to last shot fired took about 90 seconds. In that time the officer was punched in the face and had to wrestle to keep his weapon from his attacker. Not much time left for switching weapons. Would you switch from a gun to pepper spray in the middle of a fight? I know I would not.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Tue 25 Nov 2014, 12:46:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'I')'m sure Obama sent people to try and defuse a very dangerous situation. To get the family and community on the side of peaceful protest and against violence.

We saw last night that that effort was totally ineffective. He may be leading but they ain't following.
Should we start a pool on how many more nights this goes on?
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby wildbourgman » Tue 25 Nov 2014, 12:48:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'I')'m sure Obama sent people to try and defuse a very dangerous situation. To get the family and community on the side of peaceful protest and against violence.

Having been beaten by police when peacefully demonstrating, I know the police are often over aggressive. In the UK at least they don't normally have guns, but their attitude towards ethnic minorities can be terrible.

Over here in the UK it's becoming more usual/popular for people to film the police and it does seem to have curbed excessive behaviour to a certain extent.

From the evidence I've seen although the officer can be seen to having justification for using force, gunning down an unarmed guy seems IMHO excessive, especially as the officer said he had a mace spray available as well.


Quinny, when a man that large was just beating you about the face and just attempted to take your firearm you do everything possible to stop him from getting your firearm because there is only one reason he wants your firearm. I think that the officer explained why he couldn't initially get to his non lethal weapons.

One thing that you should watch is the possible pattern of Brown. In the video from the store, Brown is walking out when he realizes he's being followed by the store keeper, so he doubles back to intimidate the store keeper and stop him from following. The eye witness accounts say that Brown was leaving the shooting scene and then he doubled back and attacked the officer as the officer was following. The officer at this point thought he was going to chase Brown who at this point due to his behaviour seemed like an obvious danger to others in the community. The officer was duty bound at this point to detain and/or remove this apparent threat to other citizens that could be attacked by what seemed to be a lunatic.

I lived in a community where a presumed lunatic was chased by an officer into a business area and the officer stopped the pursuit in a parking lot and allowed the criminal to go into a bank where he killed a teller and sodomized the others for hours during a hostage standoff. In my view the pursuing officer should have engaged and stopped the threat by any means necessary. One thing about that story is the lunatic was a cop in full body armor and carrying an AR-15.

When someone acts as Brown did, attacking an officer and attemting to take his gun he must be treated as a severe threat to the community at large. Those actions were extremely unusual they were the actions of a madman.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby wildbourgman » Tue 25 Nov 2014, 12:56:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'I')'m sure Obama sent people to try and defuse a very dangerous situation. To get the family and community on the side of peaceful protest and against violence.

We saw last night that that effort was totally ineffective. He may be leading but they ain't following.
Should we start a pool on how many more nights this goes on?



Did Obama ever say that the officer was innocent? He should have said, "folks sometimes officers are wrong and that should be handled accordingly and strongly under the law, but this is not one of those times".

Obama should have made it clear that this was a situation where the officer was justified in his action and that Brown was a criminal that attempted to murder an officer. You don't defuse the situation by giving both sides moral equivalence when one side is obviously wrong.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby Quinny » Tue 25 Nov 2014, 13:03:32

Suppose the question is why go for the gun first?
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