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Ebola Pandemic ?!? Pt. 6
Re: How Ebola Shows that Capitalism Dooms Us All
by dorlomin » Sat 15 Nov 2014, 19:34:02
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I')f Monrovia were sitting on Spindletop do you really think the folks there would be living and dying swimming in their own feces?
Yes.Equatorial Guinea case in point.
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Re: How Ebola Shows that Capitalism Dooms Us All
by dohboi » Sun 16 Nov 2014, 00:28:32
"Equatorial Guinea case in point."
Good example.
Good example.
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Re: How Ebola Shows that Capitalism Dooms Us All
by onlooker » Mon 17 Nov 2014, 07:37:08
I would say that colonial expropriation is in fact a facet of aggressive capitalism in so much as the profit motive a basis of capitalism and was not the annexation of much of the world about greed and the profit motive?
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Re: How Ebola Shows that Capitalism Dooms Us All
by Cid_Yama » Mon 17 Nov 2014, 10:41:57
Yes, it's like these defenders of Capitalism don't know what Capitalism is, just that it's what 'we' have as opposed to what 'they' have.
They really don't know what 'we' have, which, by the way, is not Capitalism, but rather, Plutocratic Corporatism masquerading as Capitalism, or the difference from what 'they' have, which is now a moderated form of Capitalism with strong social programs and governmental regulation.
'They' still maintain some state-owned corporations in essential industries, which provides income to the state which covers the social programs and regulation of non-state industry.
'We' apparently prefer an emasculated government dependent on taxes which lacks the power to regulate and is easily controlled through graft.
'They' learned in 1917 the lesson of what happens when you ignore the needs of the masses.
'We' have yet to learn that lesson.
They really don't know what 'we' have, which, by the way, is not Capitalism, but rather, Plutocratic Corporatism masquerading as Capitalism, or the difference from what 'they' have, which is now a moderated form of Capitalism with strong social programs and governmental regulation.
'They' still maintain some state-owned corporations in essential industries, which provides income to the state which covers the social programs and regulation of non-state industry.
'We' apparently prefer an emasculated government dependent on taxes which lacks the power to regulate and is easily controlled through graft.
'They' learned in 1917 the lesson of what happens when you ignore the needs of the masses.
'We' have yet to learn that lesson.
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The level of injustice and wrong you endure is directly determined by how much you quietly submit to. Even to the point of extinction.
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Re: How Ebola Shows that Capitalism Dooms Us All
by dohboi » Mon 17 Nov 2014, 11:00:28
"an emasculated government dependent on taxes which lacks the power to regulate and is easily controlled through graft. "
Well put. I believe that is why it is sometimes called 'inverted totalitarianism.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
Well put. I believe that is why it is sometimes called 'inverted totalitarianism.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
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Re: How Ebola Shows that Capitalism Dooms Us All
by onlooker » Mon 17 Nov 2014, 12:27:38
Yes furthermore you can say our form of government is a plutocracy, oligarchy , and kleptarchy-cleptocracy all in one 
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Re: How Ebola Shows that Capitalism Dooms Us All
by Cid_Yama » Mon 17 Nov 2014, 16:07:11
The true role of government is to protect the people from the very forces that now control the government.
inverted indeed.
Now the government's role is just middle level managers for the plutocrats while maintaining the illusion of a democracy and free market. And the corporate-controlled media is our own Joseph Gobbels, weaving fantasies of a free and self-determined people.
Starting to feel like the intellectuals in 1930's Germany? You should. We live on borrowed time.
The nation is filled with sixstrings out there. Buying the vision, living the lie.
If I were 30 or 40 years younger, I think I'd move to Sweden. Perhaps the FEMA camps aren't just tinfoil. I'm sure that's exactly what the people in 1930's Germany thought about the concentration camps; tinfoil.
Or maybe if they knew, they figured those that were sent there deserved it. After all, they didn't subscribe to the glorious vision of a preordained people.
inverted indeed.
Now the government's role is just middle level managers for the plutocrats while maintaining the illusion of a democracy and free market. And the corporate-controlled media is our own Joseph Gobbels, weaving fantasies of a free and self-determined people.
Starting to feel like the intellectuals in 1930's Germany? You should. We live on borrowed time.
The nation is filled with sixstrings out there. Buying the vision, living the lie.
If I were 30 or 40 years younger, I think I'd move to Sweden. Perhaps the FEMA camps aren't just tinfoil. I'm sure that's exactly what the people in 1930's Germany thought about the concentration camps; tinfoil.
Or maybe if they knew, they figured those that were sent there deserved it. After all, they didn't subscribe to the glorious vision of a preordained people.
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Re: How Ebola Shows that Capitalism Dooms Us All
by onlooker » Mon 17 Nov 2014, 16:36:52
In fact you could also say we have a shadow government who truly run things and the ostensible government is just for show. The cabal, the elite, the NWO from behind the shadows run everything. They are not elected by anyone , not accountable to anyone, have mega-wealth and are ruthless to boot.
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Re: How Ebola Shows that Capitalism Dooms Us All
by dohboi » Mon 17 Nov 2014, 17:18:34
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')irst they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Martin Niemöller
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Re: How Ebola Shows that Capitalism Dooms Us All
by dorlomin » Mon 17 Nov 2014, 18:29:17
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'T')hey really don't know what 'we' have, which, by the way, is not Capitalism, but rather, Plutocratic Corporatism masquerading as Capitalism, or the difference from what 'they' have, which is now a moderated form of Capitalism with strong social programs and governmental regulation.
So when did this wonderful capitalism exist then? In the days of the Dutch East India Company and the British East India Company? In the days of the brutal work conditions in Manchester that prompted Marx to write Capital? The gilded age of Rockerfeller and Vanderbilt? Or the 20s and 30s, years of strike breakers and scabbing?-
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Re: How Ebola Shows that Capitalism Dooms Us All
by onlooker » Mon 17 Nov 2014, 19:21:26
I reference this link http://livingeconomiesforum.org/Adam-Smith
to show how distorted our so called capitalism is and our neo-classical economic school of thought which cites Adam Smith and the Wealth of Nations but in practice is in many cases the opposite of what the author intended and explained. So these economic policies seek justification with a book and author who in fact would condemn much of the economic practices of today's world. Go figure
to show how distorted our so called capitalism is and our neo-classical economic school of thought which cites Adam Smith and the Wealth of Nations but in practice is in many cases the opposite of what the author intended and explained. So these economic policies seek justification with a book and author who in fact would condemn much of the economic practices of today's world. Go figure
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Re: How Ebola Shows that Capitalism Dooms Us All
by Cid_Yama » Mon 17 Nov 2014, 20:42:30
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o when did this wonderful capitalism exist then?
Actually it never did. The age of Mercantilism and Colonialism was horrendous for the slaves, indentured servants, and third world countries that were usually developed for one product only and the rail to transport it to the port.
In the 1930's Corporate leaders from Goodyear, Remington, US Steel, Standard Oil, JP Morgan, Brown Brothers Harriman, Du Pont, National City Bank and others plotted a coup against FDR. When they were exposed, their choice was trial for treason or acceding to Roosevelt's demands.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hey included the following:
The freeing of U.S. credit from manipulation by foreign central and private banking interests, by removing the U.S. dollar from a gold standard—i.e., the ability to demand payment for dollars in gold; in addition, FDR acted to ban gold sales to individuals and to allow for transfer of gold funds from banks. He did this in a series of steps in 1933, as the U.S. currency came under attack from foreign and domestic banking sources. If this had not been done, the dollar would have collapsed, and, more importantly, the government would have been restricted in the issuance of dollar-denominated debt to the amount of gold on hand for which such fungible debt could have been exchanged. The freeing of the dollar from the gold standard enabled FDR to finance his jobs and infrastructure programs;
The regulation of the banking system, through such measures as the Glass Steagall Act, which separated commercial banking from private or investment banking, and required transparency in banking activity. By doing this, he asserted the power of the Federal government over all financial transactions;
The regulation by the new Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) of all trading in stocks and bonds, preventing insider trading operations which were the highly profitable and corrupt ways that the financial elite were shown to enlarge their fortunes;
The regulation of speculation in commodities through the Commodities Trading Commission (CTC);
Increased bank supervision by the Treasury Department and others, of all bank operations; the protection of the smaller bank depositors against the loss of their deposits, while limiting the protection of the financial elite, whose policies brought on banking collapses.
Roosevelt succeeded in stripping of them of their power and enacted a punitive progressive tax to ensure they never recovered.
Unfortunately it did not last, but it resulted in an unprecedented period of prosperity for the American people until the Nixon Administration.
This article is far more detailed, should you want to research it on your own.
It is an almost unknown chapter in American History. And the Plutocracy has done it's best to bury and discredit it. But it explains their livid hatred for FDR.
It is commonly known as the Business Plot.
So I guess the period between the end of WWII and 1968 while corporate oligarchs were declawed was a just and hopeful era.
But their return was forseen during the Eisenhower Administration.
Eisenhower's Farewell Speech
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence – economic, political, even spiritual – is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nother factor in maintaining balance involves the element of time. As we peer into society's future, we – you and I, and our government – must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering for, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without asking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.
Down the long lane of the history yet to be written America knows that this world of ours, ever growing smaller, must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be, instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect.
Such a confederation must be one of equals. The weakest must come to the conference table with the same confidence as do we, protected as we are by our moral, economic, and military strength. That table, though scarred by many past frustrations, cannot be abandoned for the certain agony of the battlefield.
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I was born in 1943. I saw the period of prosperity and it's loss. I saw the impoverishment of the American people firsthand. I witnessed the rise of Corporatism in this country. The disappearance of the family business, the regimentation of the working poor. I saw the disappearance of funding for higher education and the corporate takeover of the curriculum to ensure an uneducated, indoctrinated and misinformed population.
The America I was born into and lived in through my prime is gone. It has been replaced by an uneducated and enslaved working class living at subsistence levels.
It was not like this. It was not meant to be like this. It is a crime. It is a sin.
It is an Evil that has usurped our nation.
I thank God that I approach the end of my days. And for the period when we had a somewhat just and egalitarian system in America. I mourn it's loss.
