[Henriksson]

Maybe if we insulate it we can run it on PVs...

[KaiserJeep]

I understand what you are saying, I know that most liquid fuels are consumed in transportation and not residential space heating. But EVs are a solution for the private citizen - I am close enough to retirement to have taken a good hard look at my actual requirements - I could live my life with an EV with a 50 mile range.

The single exception being my vacation. I just took a two week, old-fashioned road trip through Alberta and British Columbia, just rattling around in a fairly empty country, seeing the sights, and paying $1.27 or so Canadian per liter of Regular gasoline, while wondering if that was a good deal. We flew to Seattle and rented a small SUV (a Kia Sorrento) which got about 36 mpg (a Jeep Grand Cherokee it was not, but it sufficed). We returned on a Ferry from Prince Rupert, across the water from the Alaskan panhandle, along the Inland Passage route. Spent the last few days on Vancouver Island, Fidalgo Island, and Whidbey Island.

It's the kind of vacation that will be a lot less affordable in coming years as the price of gasoline soars. Which means only that one must make a different plan. But human beings CAN make plans, CAN plan on owning EVs, and CAN anticipate and plan around new requirements in a post-cheap-oil world.

Henriksson, there are enough materials such as steel already here that we do not need refining type blast furnaces, only recycling furnaces which are much less energy intensive (and require only coke and coal). The end of cheap oil doesn't have to be a disaster for those who plan.

[tom_s2]

Hi henrikkson,

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[ralfy]

There is a review of the book mentioned here:

"Tilting at Windmills, Spain’s disastrous attempt to replace fossil fuels with Solar Photovoltaics"

http://energyskeptic.com/2013/tilting-a ... -solar-pv/

with several references at the end.

Finally, as mentioned in another thread, if the ultimate goal of using energy is to maintain economic growth (not just for more profits but to meet the needs and probably even wants of a growing human population), then many factors that are part of that issue (which includes manufacturers closing, infrastructure development, etc.) have to be considered.

In which case, returns drop for all energy sources. But economic growth requires both higher energy returns and higher energy quantity.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', 'T')here is a review of the book mentioned here:

"Tilting at Windmills, Spain’s disastrous attempt to replace fossil fuels with Solar Photovoltaics"

http://energyskeptic.com/2013/tilting-a ... -solar-pv/

with several references at the end.

Finally, as mentioned in another thread, if the ultimate goal of using energy is to maintain economic growth (not just for more profits but to meet the needs and probably even wants of a growing human population), then many factors that are part of that issue (which includes manufacturers closing, infrastructure development, etc.) have to be considered.

In which case, returns drop for all energy sources. But economic growth requires both higher energy returns and higher energy quantity.

[Henriksson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', 'T')here is a review of the book mentioned here:

"Tilting at Windmills, Spain’s disastrous attempt to replace fossil fuels with Solar Photovoltaics"

http://energyskeptic.com/2013/tilting-a ... -solar-pv/

with several references at the end.

Finally, as mentioned in another thread, if the ultimate goal of using energy is to maintain economic growth (not just for more profits but to meet the needs and probably even wants of a growing human population), then many factors that are part of that issue (which includes manufacturers closing, infrastructure development, etc.) have to be considered.

In which case, returns drop for all energy sources. But economic growth requires both higher energy returns and higher energy quantity.