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Unread postby DriveElectric » Thu 23 Jun 2005, 18:16:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('highlander', 'I') just checked out a parallel thread on ATS. Folks are getting fired up about this. Are there any peakers in the general area where these houses are to be razed? Maybe a little civil disobedience is in order :-x
As this is a supreme court ruling, there is no legal remedy left. Since this is an immoral act, the law of the land no longer has authority IMO.


Actually, you could still elect new city leaders that would revoke the zoning in the area and bring this to a grinding halt. Or elect new state legislators that change state law to bring this to a grinding halt.

Or you could revolt, burn a few cars, break some windows at Circuit City and grab a new Xbox. You know, the stuff we can expect post peak.
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Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Thu 23 Jun 2005, 19:02:17

You guys have no idea what creepy even is, you have not met me.

I like how DriveElectric has pointed out that the land-grab decision was all Yeses by the Dems and Nos by the Repubs. Voting all Repub is a good idea, although most of them are not conservative enough.

There's a very good arguement that this country went down the tubes when the War of Northere Aggression was instigated against the good people of the South.

And before you all start squawking about the rights of the South's corn-propelled cotton pickers, notice that other countries all managed to end slavery fairly peacefully, without killing hundreds of thousands of good citizens and patriots and nearly tearing their countries apart. Slavery would have ended in 20 years or so anyway, and it was on its way out due to technology.
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Unread postby DriveElectric » Thu 23 Jun 2005, 19:14:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'I')ts a battle of attrition with the elderly :lol:
I propose we adopt a "logans run" age limit of 70 initially and see how that goes :)


Logan's Run was a fabulous show. I wrote a letter to the network in protest when that show was cancelled.
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Unread postby UncoveringTruths » Thu 23 Jun 2005, 19:16:33

I_Like_Plants wrote
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') like how DriveElectric has pointed out that the land-grab decision was all Yeses by the Dems and Nos by the Repubs. Voting all Repub is a good idea, although most of them are not conservative enough.


Oh and the big chief with the Longtooth, Bush! Voted against private property rights while he was Governor of Tejas. There all a bunch corporate horses asses Democrats and Republicans. Do you like how I pointed that out?

Wait till some city worker comes to someones backyard and starts bulldozing it. :-x
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Unread postby UncoveringTruths » Thu 23 Jun 2005, 19:42:54

Roxanne and Drive Electric take it to the hall of flames.

I really wanted to point out something about our property rights. Here is a widow who testified before the Texas Legislative Committee. She did this because she lost her home and had a 3 or 4 year legal battle before she finally was redeamed. unfortantly she passed away a few years back.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')ommittee Members:
I am Geneva Kirk Brooks, a retired educator but I have also been a real estate broker for about fifty years. I am the director of Property Rights Foundation Texas, Inc. We are owners fighting for our constitutional property rights.

Property ownership, next to liberty, is our most precious freedom but without property rights there is no liberty. All tyrants seize property because control of land gives control of people.

As an educator, I must educate you as to what has happened in the past so you will understand why and what is happening today to our vanishing property rights, so here are the facts as bare as the bottom of a newborn babe.

To understand the foreclosure racket in Texas since 1995 you need to know that that was the year Governor George Bush opened Texas to the foreclosure racket by signing House Bill 2152, later called 204, not called 507, as pay-back to the national lawyer group for their huge contribution. To understand about the foreclosure racket nationwide, you have to go back to l964 the year anti-discrimination laws were passed. There was great anguish, hand wringing, and eyes rolling skyward with moans of, "Oh God, what can we do to keep all those Mexicans and Negroes out of our communities? We gotta find a way without violating the law".

The way was found. The way was CAI - the Community Associations Institute, emboldened by Chubb Insurance Corporation, or one of its affiliates, that was established at Alexandria, Virginia, for the purpose of cleansing neighborhoods.

CAI is a school to teach lawyers how to add just enough helpless whites, preferably old, sick, poor widows – yes, like 83 year old widow Wenonah Blevins and paralyzed Robby Hopkins - to the "minority mix" to avoid law violations. Also, CAI teaches unscrupulous lawyers how to go into communities and woo board members to allow CAI to take over the Civic Club’s non-profit status and management the community, promising, " We manage your community free, all you have to do is let us keep all we collect from owners in legal fees and the foreclosures. We will keep you on the board, with a salary (or other inducements) as long as you wish to serve using our method of manipulation of owners’ votes.".

Since l995 up to 11,000 foreclosure filings have occurred in Harris County alone, violating our Texas Constitution which says properties may only be foreclosed for unpaid taxes, mortgages or improvement loans and violating our U.S. Constitution that guarantees "due process". Judge Patrick Mizell of Houston says of the law used by the foreclosure racket in Texas, "Its crazy. Its unfair. Its unconstitutional". An appeal is in the 6th Appeals Court at Texarkana which will determine the constitutionality of this Texas law. We expect a decision soon. Watch for it!

Let’s look at the law signed by Governor George Bush in 1995. CAI lawyer Michael T. Gainer, a speaker here today, drafted this unconstitutional bill which was sponsored by Representative Kevin Bailey, also a lobbyist, and both got it pushed through and signed into law during the last ten seconds of a thirty minute extension of a waning session, on a voice vote with no record of who voted for it, in a near empty chamber with the constitutional rules suspended. This bill was never read or referred to any committee for study, research, recommendations or hearings. No witness were called to testify. This bill passed in this illegal way trashes our Texas Constitution and our U.S. Constitution and all our Homestead laws. I'm going to read this blood-chilling paragraph again. Listen carefully.

Senator Ken Armbrister reports that the seizure of non-profit status allows CAI to operate without any state oversight or regulations. His report states that management companies are "de facto" political entities and should be ruled by the same state regulations and laws as a city. CAI claims 501(c)(3) status and gets away with it because owners are forced to pay all legal fees directly into the private accounts of CAI lawyers without any showing on the accounts of the community.
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New London decision..(huh)?

Unread postby ace » Thu 23 Jun 2005, 19:53:57

Man, I hate to even watch the news these days...We went through possible eminent domain issue here acouple of years ago. "Fair market value" ( AND we'll give you $50 for every tree we remove
):lol: my big fat pasty recliner bound posterior..eminent domain is an easy out of negotiations for the developers.(Everything has a price. Maybe 2 x or3x "fair market value"(consider it a"pita charge")would move alot more people and maybe slowdow urban sprawl.

What else could be considered for seizure for the common good? Perhaps your hard earned pv system or stocked pantry?
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Unread postby highlander » Thu 23 Jun 2005, 20:49:58

Judicial revocation of article V of the US constitution deserves a better discussion.
The evening news showed the town's lawyer gloating over the "victory"
How about a boycott of Pfizer and New Haven for starts? I'll see if the homeowners have a website and see what steps patriots can take to prevent this outrage.


OK Here is some background information
http://www.kelovnewlondon.com/pfe.htm

edit: add link to background info
edit: per mods request thanks for cleaning up the thread SPG!
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Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 23 Jun 2005, 21:11:52

All the trolling and flaming has been moved to the HOF.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shakespear1', 'I') suggest we make a list of Right that have been lost or weakened.


I would add the right to anonymity. http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0622/p01s01-usju.html
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Unread postby RonMN » Thu 23 Jun 2005, 21:16:04

All i can possibly say about this, is that it looks like you'll have to be Far away of anything they can "easily" get to.

NOT along a major highway...
NOT near a town with 50,000+ people
NOT accesible from any feul conserving viewpoint.


and THEN you may be able to keep the corn you grew...if it's not THAT much corn.
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Unread postby Daculling » Thu 23 Jun 2005, 22:12:15

What's point here? Your rights are being stripped away for corporate profits... you now must leverage your rights that still exist... namely the 2nd.

/Guess that puts me on the list
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Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 23 Jun 2005, 22:15:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daculling', '/')Guess that puts me on the list


Not just on it, but well up it. :-D
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Unread postby Daculling » Thu 23 Jun 2005, 22:24:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daculling', '/')Guess that puts me on the list


Not just on it, but well up it. :-D


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Unread postby JLK » Thu 23 Jun 2005, 22:34:47

This thread has really been destroyed by the off topic stuff. Too bad, it is an important topic. Maybe the moderators can do some selective pruning.

The Supreme Court decision is actually a good one from the standpoint of Peak Oil and New Urbanism. When the middle class has to desert to burbs and move back into the cities, it will make it easier for developers to eradicate the decaying slums.
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Unread postby Daculling » Thu 23 Jun 2005, 22:43:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JLK', '
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The Supreme Court decision is actually a good one from the standpoint of Peak Oil and New Urbanism. When the middle class has to desert to burbs and move back into the cities, it will make it easier for developers to eradicate the decaying slums.


I take it your not the one living in a decaying slum. Most of us don't have a country estate with pelenty of land to feed yourself. This is all about the concentration of weath and power in the face of revolution. I don't want that, I'm just say'n.
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Unread postby FoxV » Thu 23 Jun 2005, 22:49:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JLK', 'T')he Supreme Court decision is actually a good one from the standpoint of Peak Oil and New Urbanism.


ya, they'll tear down all those walmarts and build subsidised housing. :lol:

I'd really be scared if I lived in the States these days I don't know how you guys are going to survive this
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Unread postby Daculling » Thu 23 Jun 2005, 22:54:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FoxV', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JLK', 'T')he Supreme Court decision is actually a good one from the standpoint of Peak Oil and New Urbanism.


ya, they'll tear down all those walmarts and build subsidised housing. :lol:

I'd really be scared if I lived in the States these days I don't know how you guys are going to survive this


Constitutional amendment, or civil war. But, I don't think it will be utilized enough for either.
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Unread postby k_semler » Fri 24 Jun 2005, 00:24:38

@Daculling:

I agree. It is high time the federalies are reminded of exactly who put them into power, and who they represent. It has been 140 years since the last attempt, I say it is time again! Give them a peice of hot lead at 1248 F/S to remind them of what we fought for! (if this is incoherent, I'm royally drunk. If you can understad this, I'm still drunk). Mmm, Beer :razz: :-D
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 24 Jun 2005, 01:05:48

hey, k_semler, did you hear Michael Savage talking today about how he got drunk yesterday? It was funny. Says he was wearing his bell-bottom pants and felt like a hippy in the sixties again. Then he was eating on air and making slobbering noises. Ha! Ha! In fact he almost sounded like he was still drunk. Sometimes that guy cracks me up. He says the dog wanted to dance with him. Crazy World. The guy likes Charlie Parker and Jimi Hendrix. Cool.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 24 Jun 2005, 02:14:40

I guess k_semmler is obliviously passed out. Sweet dreams k_semler. I had a pleasant exchange with him once about insects taking over the world when we are departed. I told him about the biggest ever insect that was ten feet long in a previous geologic era. Then there was my theory about how ants will be the next intelligent species to plague the Earth.
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Unread postby DriveElectric » Fri 24 Jun 2005, 09:42:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', '
')I like how DriveElectric has pointed out that the land-grab decision was all Yeses by the Dems and Nos by the Repubs. Voting all Repub is a good idea, although most of them are not conservative enough.


That seems to be causing major very conflicting emotions among the wacky extremist sect here on PO.com.
On the one hand they hate the government that is doing the land grab.
But then they are torn by the fact that their fellow left wing liberals were the ones who made it part of the constitution.
And to make matters worse, it was the appointees of Nixon, Reagan and Bush who were defending the property rights of the common man.

The irony is just poetic.
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