[tita]

And if the Force in Star Wars was in fact this ZPE ? Pure energy fluids surrounding everything, controlled by the mind to make stuff levitate!

Yeah, cool, maybe David Copperfield already know how to do all these stuff! Maybe he will save the world!

[RdSnt]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('tita', 'A')nd if the Force in Star Wars was in fact this ZPE ? Pure energy fluids surrounding everything, controlled by the mind to make stuff levitate!

Yeah, cool, maybe David Copperfield already know how to do all these stuff! Maybe he will save the world!

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RdSnt', '
')David Copperfield has an identical twin brother.

[FoxV]

I find it hard to believe that this topic made two pages let alone that ZPE actually exists.

anyways, anybody care to put up what ZPE is, or is its description as elusive as its feasiblilty (I'd do it myself but i think I've wasted enough time on this topic just writing this reply )

[MarkR]

[q]I find it hard to believe that this topic made two pages let alone that ZPE actually exists. [/q]

There are a number of scientific theories that predict ZPE, or theories that are very neatly explained by ZPE, but without it are almost incomprehensible.

The amount of ZPE in an empty volume of space can be calculated and is absolutely vast - a completely ridiculous number (something like there's enough energy in the space the size of a coffee cup, to boil and evaporate all the water on earth). However, so far no one has managed to harness its energy, nor indeed is there even a satisfactory theory which would allow the ZP energy to be tapped.

There are astronomical observations and theories that lead to a suspicion that ZPE may be at work. E.g. Stephen Hawking's theory of black holes suggests that they are able to tap the ZP energy and convert it into pure matter. There are a few problems for a terrestrial implementation of this:

1) The energy tapped is only a loan. The black hole has to pay the energy back by destroying it's own matter and returning the energy back to the ZP vacuum. As a result black holes a believed to 'evaporate' after a while because all their matter is destroyed.

2) Capturing the ZP energy requires powerful forces. The forces required would likely disrupt the entire solar system.

3) The energy actually capturable is quite low. Even supermassive black holes - some of the most powerful objects in the universe - can caputure only small amounts of power: around 0.0000000000000000000000000000001 Watts.

[eric_b]

Zero point energy's bunk. Most of the people supporting ZPE (Like Tom Bearden
and his (perpetual motion) MEG device) are either cranks, crackpots, deluded, or
outright frauds.

My conclusion after researching this entire area.

Sure, they can talk a good talk. These people would do well writing the pseudo
science dialogs for Star Trek.

But they can't walk the walk. Look, if there was anything to these devices, which
have supposedly been around for years, they'd be selling like hotcakes.

ZPE - just another name for perpetual motion.

[merecat]

The universe is a fine example of zero point energy in action. With regard to the laws of thermodynamics, surely they should be called the 'theories' of thermodynamics, to call something a law is suspicious in itself.

For anyone wishing to push the envelope of their belief system (aw go on, just for a little while) then do check out this
link.

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('merecat', '[')url=http://pesn.com/2005/06/17/9600113_MagneticPowerInc_Pre-Production/]link[/url].

[eric_b]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('merecat', 'T')he universe is a fine example of zero point energy in action. With regard to the laws of thermodynamics, surely they should be called the 'theories' of thermodynamics, to call something a law is suspicious in itself.

For anyone wishing to push the envelope of their belief system (aw go on, just for a little while) then do check out this
link.

[agni]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Graeme', 'N')ew science is opening the way to fuel-free power and propulsion and a turnaround of Global Warming. Conventional wisdom suggests we will be dependent on oil, gas, coal and nuclear power for the foreseeable future. Alternative energy is thought to be limited to solar, wind, fuel-cells and biofuels, etc. However, a revolutionary family of energy conversion technologies has emerged that is likely to prove extremely important. This breakthrough requires no fuel and produces no pollution. It opens a path to cost competitive electric power, automotive, and later aerospace propulsion.

[Novus]

Looks like zero point energy might not just be the rantings of mad scientists after all.

http://pesn.com/2005/06/17/9600113_Magn ... roduction/

Here are a few excerpts from the article:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Magnetic Power Inc. is Nearing Pre-Production Stage with Zero Point Energy Modules

Modules built with off-the-shelf components are expected to generate electricity anywhere, any time, for less than 1 cent per kilowatt-hour. One kW modules expected for market early next year.

SEBASTOPOL, CALIFORNIA, USA -- At their present rate of progress, Magnetic Power Inc. (MPI) says they could have 1 kW Magnetic Power Modules™, anticipated to generate electricity for less than one cent per kilowatt-hour, ready for sale by strategic partners next year. "Nothing else would come close," says Mark Goldes," chairman and CEO...

NASA data suggests there is far more than 20 times the Zero Point Energy available anyplace on earth than solar energy at the peak of the day, and it is available 24/7...

In the near-term, MPI is focusing on pre-production prototypes of Demonstration Devices, which can be made available to schools and universities, as well as a 1 kW generator. MPI expects that these will be manufactured by strategic partners under license next year. Another early application would be portable or emergency generators. Additionally, early on, a few linked modules could provide enough power for homes...

Goldes cites a number of reasons why he believes we do not have a lot of time as a nation or world in terms of energy stability, and that the need for alternative, clean energy is not just a matter of economics, but of grave urgency. For example, he cites a number of extremely well qualified experts who have stated that a shortage of natural gas may cause major shortages of electricity in the United States as early as next year.

[julianj]

I'm non technical.

When can I get a ZPE module from the store to power my home?

how much does it cost, what's the shipping, EROEI (sigh).


Hold on, when you get ZPE, you can teleport it directly into my kitchen!

So the only real problem is how do I sign that I've received it?

[Novus]

Like any new technology the first prototypes are going to cost over a million dollars and then the first production models costing about a tenth as much as the prototypes. Second run models then costing half as much as the first run models. This is were the time window comes into play. Will there be enough time develope and deploy these things on any sort of scale before the age of cheap energy ends.

When these things get going they will likely have an EROEI that is twenty times greater then solar voltaics. So maybe we are looking at EROEI around 25 or so if the modual runs near maximium efficeincy. Not as good as light crude but still good.

From the theory as I understand it ZPE can only be teleported half the width of atom.

[Jack]

Already posted HERE along with extensive comments.

[julianj]

Gawd,

this really is clutching at straws.

I'm non technical and arty, but I really didn't feel I was going to get out my credit card and become and angel to these guys.

When I can go down to B & Q and buy a Zero Point Energy Generator off the shelf and walk out with it, then I'll believe this stuff. Otherwise, to me its down there with Abiotic oil and the 12 foot lizards.

Smeg me. This is an evidence-based site. Show us the prototype. Hey - get Pup and Devil and Aaron and Monte to test it. What would it cost you? The word of mouth marketing would be immense...

...if it worked...

I somehow think this won't ever happen..

[Novus]

That other thread makes no mention of Gold's 1kW power module. People here seem to think ZPE is bunk and unprooven. This thread is not about the theory behind zero point energy but about bringing ZPE designs into primetime use. Zero point energy is real and it works and the question is now a matter of logistics in bringing it to market.

[julianj]

Sorry, and Enviro Engineer and whole loads of other PO.com people who would cream their Kecks at getting their pseudopods on a new energy source....

Yeah, right.

Show me the money... I mean energy, right now. Put up or shut up.

[eric_b]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'T')hat other thread makes no mention of Gold's 1kW power module. People here seem to think ZPE is bunk and unprooven. This thread is not about the theory behind zero point energy but about bringing ZPE designs into primetime use. Zero point energy is real and it works and the question is now a matter of logistics in bringing it to market.

[Dezakin]

These are the guys who brought us the ultraconductor scam... the room temperature polymer superconductors that no one has actually seen or used.

Be very skeptical of a teeny tiny microcap that claims to have invented two world changing technologies at once but just hasn't gotten around to production yet.

Bullshit makes the flowers grow, one by one, row by row.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'T')hat other thread makes no mention of Gold's 1kW power module. People here seem to think ZPE is bunk and unprooven. This thread is not about the theory behind zero point energy but about bringing ZPE designs into primetime use. Zero point energy is real and it works and the question is now a matter of logistics in bringing it to market.