[Quinny]

KJ's argument just doesn't hold water. We've fecked up the Earth so let's build another.

I know new build is cheaper than refurb, but not when it comes to fecking planets!

[Keith_McClary]

whitehouse.gov has a plan:
Bootstrapping a Solar System Civilization
October 14, 2014

[Henriksson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd building upon the success of the Mars Curiosity rover, the next rover to Mars — currently dubbed Mars 2020 — will demonstrate In-Situ Resource Utilization on the Red Planet. It will convert the carbon dioxide available in Mars’ atmosphere to oxygen that could be used for fuel and air — all things that future humans on Mars could put to use.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'K')J's argument just doesn't hold water. We've fecked up the Earth so let's build another.

I know new build is cheaper than refurb, but not when it comes to fecking planets!

[RepublicanfromEngland]

No obviously due to the energy and resource problems here on our own planet.

There are certainly cool landscapes out there, just like the valley of Taurus Littrow. Commander Cernan and Lunar Module Pilot Harrison Schmitt, explored that great little valley December 11-13 1972. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdN4FCFDQlA

I've obtained a lenghy written book by Paul Gilster, Centauri Dreams. It explores different ideas on how to send a space probe to centauri. How ever a mission at one tenth of the speed of light could take fifty years. Beyond or at the speed of light, time travel occurs, a pretty werid event.

And prior to any of the above, a mission time of eight centuries is in order of the day. So essentially how ever it is looked at interstellar flight requires a generational outlook for the success of it.

People Like Eugene Cernan believed the Moon was a good place to go for the future of humankind, as well as his Lunar module pilot believes this, but was and is still cautious on the extraction of helium as a proposed plan.

Not that any of that is or was actually going to happen, even under W's constellation program. He owns a bit of lunar real estate, just like the other former leader Jimmy Carter.

[Sixstrings]

It's not really about getting to the other stars, that's far in the future.

For all we know, there could be life on Europa. That one moon has more water than the entire planet earth. It's got a lot of water, geysers, geothermal energy and geothermal vents and that all spells life.

And there are 7 other moons with liquid water.

There's plenty to do, in this this solar system, and it's a big place. There's been far too much focus on "Mars," and our one moon, there's more interesting places in the system. A good first start will the the Europa Clipper -- assuming it doesn't get canceled. They didn't opt for a probe to melt down through the ice, but rather a cheaper first step of just flying through the water geysers it shoots into space -- and see if there's any life in the water.

A first step to planning for habitation of Europa, and the other water moons, would be to see if we can live underwater and make it self-sustaining, here on Earth. I'm guessing maybe coming 3d printing advances will be the key to self-sustaining colonies in hostile environments -- the ability to just "print" components, as needed, and not have to make everything under the sun in a massive production chain.

Now consider the coming AI singularity by 2050, robots making robots, and really there's no limit to all of this. Just machines making other machines will mean exponential growth never seen before in history.

[joyfulbozo]

No way... We humans are very clever... Nothing is gonna happen to this planet... Else we are learning more new things of other planet... As i heard recently of success of Indian's mar's mission... See more good news are on our way...

[Lore]

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Now consider the coming AI singularity by 2050, robots making robots, and really there's no limit to all of this. Just machines making other machines will mean exponential growth never seen before in history.

[Withnail]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
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I'm guessing maybe coming 3d printing advances will be the key to self-sustaining colonies in hostile environments -- the ability to just "print" components, as needed, and not have to make everything under the sun in a massive production chain.

[Quinny]

What I like about threads like this are they do sort of explain why some people have the ideas they have

[Withnail]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'W')hat I like about threads like this are they do sort of explain why some people have the ideas they have

[Withnail]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Withnail', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'W')hat I like about threads like this are they do sort of explain why some people have the ideas they have

[RepublicanfromEngland]

There is no where to realistically locate in the solar system. Only another star system with an Earth size planet, Earth like planet is the answer, that would take a generational star Ship.

Perhaps if the world's population had remained as it was a century ago, I guess these options may of been available. I guess if there is life out there, with which we haven't evidence for with only exception of that Mars could of supported some form of life in the early history, it must fall into the same fate as our own as well as other life on Earth.

That is the natural order of living creatures.

[Sixstrings]

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I think we are ready!

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RepublicanfromEngland', 'T')here is no where to realistically locate in the solar system.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Withnail', 'E')ven with my basic engineering knowledge i'm aware that many components have to be machined not cast or 'printed' or they wouldnt have sufficient strength or precision otherwise.

What utter nonsense.