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Re: Doctor protests in hazmat suit, says CDC is lying

Unread postby toolpush » Sun 05 Oct 2014, 08:18:24

I though I was clicking on an Ebola thread, but it is obviously a Political thread. Maybe politics is more contagious than Ebola? and just as unhealthy.
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Re: Doctor protests in hazmat suit, says CDC is lying

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sun 05 Oct 2014, 08:27:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('toolpush', 'I') though I was clicking on an Ebola thread, but it is obviously a Political thread. Maybe politics is more contagious than Ebola? and just as unhealthy.


Well.. I started it out with some criticism of the CDC and posting what this protesting doctor said.

Then Preston took it at as criticism of the Obama admin, and turned it political.

Then the other night I'm watching Rachel Maddow on MSNBC and she spends 20 minutes saying all the exact same things I said in this thread. Is she a right wing political hack, for criticizing the Obama admin? No. She's a journalist, and it's good she didn't pull any punches, over to party affiliation.
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Re: Doctor protests in hazmat suit, says CDC is lying

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sun 05 Oct 2014, 08:37:09

Update on some things.

Texas FINALLY got that apartment cleaned up. NINE days later. So that family sat in there, forced by law to be locked up in the house, for nine days locked up with dirty ebola linen and towels and shedded ebola virus all over the place.

Who'd they get to clean it up? Some contractor called "the Cleaning Guys" that apparently normally do hazmat spills. Maddow on msnbc had a big laugh about that, how high tech and state of the art things are at one end with the CDC, then on the ground it's left all up to Texas:

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This whole thing has been BIZARRE.

CDC should have been involved with that family, CDC should have been in charge, this is patient 0, why the f*ck are you gonig to leave it to an idiotic Southern repbulican governed state to handle a frickin' pandemic outbreak? Hello? Are people crazy?

Louisiana could not handle katrina.

And Texas cannot handle something so serious as this.

So where was the CDC? This is a major big problem here, they've got a CDC we spend billions in tax dollars on it, but it's useless if you're just going to leave an initial contagion up to the likes of Rick Perry. Actually Perry stayed out of it and went on fundraising trips, so nobody was handling it much except his dept of health but mostly just the city of dallas.

Government couldn't even find a location to relocate the people to. Finally someone in city government had a "friend" that offered use of a private home.

This is about as disorganized as the Liberian government, what a screwup.

And no, it's not really about blaming Texas and Rick Perry and the Dallas city gov -- the point is WHY were they left to handle it all on their own, WHY was the CDC not all over this like white on rice in command in charge -- it's patient 0, people. You do not leave that up to a Southern municipal government for f*ck sake, you do not leave that up to Rick Perry for goodness sake.

If and when a pandemic gets out of hand then of course the CDC can't be everywhere, but there is no excuse on this one, this is the initial contagion they should have been there.

It should have been the CDC cleaning that apartment up, not 9 days of Texas podunk politicians trying to find a "contractor" "that will do it" and finally they find "the Cleanup Guys." It's outrageous. Where was the CDC. :?: :?: :?:

Where was Obama?

Is this just like the katrina thing, and Obama did not activate his emergency powers authority and so you get this situation where some podunk southern state gov is screwing everything up and then the feds are doing nothing either because they haven't been asked for help? It's ridiculous, where was the Obama admin, where was the CDC.

:?: :?: :?: :?:

There needs to be some CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS on the CDC and this all needs looked into.

So it doesn't happen again, as this virus starts outbreaking in other cities. And, for the next pandemic. It's outrageous, *where was the CDC*, *why* were amateurs in the Dallas city gov left to handle this on their own, *wtf*?
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Re: Doctor protests in hazmat suit, says CDC is lying

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sun 05 Oct 2014, 08:55:20

Another update: Texas may file aggravated assault charges against the man that came to the US, if he knowingly came here infected with ebola.

Legally -- I think that's a stretch. Ebola is like a flu something, it's not the same as a sexually transmitted disease. Somebody with ebola is just breathing and crapping and vomitting they can't really help that.

And these charges don't get at the core of the problem, which is to STOP people with ebola from FLYING HERE in the first place.

Jail for ebola victims isn't any kind of solution -- the patient is critical right now anyway, he may not be alive to go to jail afterward.

And, he went to the hospital! The hospital sent him back out into the community, with antibiotics, to get sicker for a week and spread the virus around.

Texas is just idiotic. "Jail for ebola victims" isn't going to solve anything. Texas shouldn't be handling this crap to start with, CDC should be on it.

All the CDC is doing is having fancy wonk press conferences in Washington DC where they say how under control everything is, and it's like twilight zone with what is really going on, on the ground, in Texas.
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Re: Doctor protests in hazmat suit, says CDC is lying

Unread postby Beery1 » Sun 05 Oct 2014, 09:25:41

Wow! For the first time ever, I got an email to notify me of a Peakoil.com forum post. Forum topic notification is working! For goodness sake don't anybody touch anything!
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Re: Doctor protests in hazmat suit, says CDC is lying

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 05 Oct 2014, 12:41:34

Did 6S just admit to being a sock puppet of Rachel Maddow?!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Doctor protests in hazmat suit, says CDC is lying

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sun 05 Oct 2014, 14:32:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', 'D')id 6S just admit to being a sock puppet of Rachel Maddow?!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Believe it or not I really am an ex-R, now registered Democrat and voted Obama, twice. I've watched a lot of Maddow over the years, but she got to be too much and too partisan and too annoying and too elitist and stuck up and smug, the whole network is like that, I just can't stand it anymore so I watch CNN now for some kind of objectivity.

I do not watch Foxnews. Unless they've got something about Ukraine or Russia on there.

For news, I flip between CNN and MSNBC, but I don't watch Lawrence O'donnel anymore or any of them, they're not objective, they're smug and elitist I don't like it. MSNBC just became an overt 100% party mouthpiece.

I'm impressed that Maddow reported that story objectively and went after the CDC -- that's what objectivity looks like Doh, when you don't let your party koolaid stop you from calling a duck a duck.
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Re: Doctor protests in hazmat suit, says CDC is lying

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sun 05 Oct 2014, 14:58:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'H')ey Six, maybe if we funded our own government (rather than those in Iraq, Afghan., and 138 other countries we are stationed in) it'd operate more efficiently. Maybe CDC needs some money to really do its job?


They do get a lot of money. That's what Maddow's report was about. CDC has these lear jets with disposable plastic bubble clean rooms for transporting ebola patients. It's all high tech. We've got the army in Liberia. Yet look who's left to handle it in Texas:

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By the way, those fancy biohazard planes are from a *contractor*. Why doesn't the CDC have any of its own?

Congress needs to dig into the CDC, top to bottom. There's something screwy about them.

Look what happened in Dallas -- where was the CDC???? Why are there no federal gov "men in spacesuits" that can show up in a pandemic and clean that darn apartment?

We're talking about patient zero, it's not like they are overwhelmed. How was this just left up to Dallas city and Texas state dept of health?

Those people were locked in with dirty ebola sheets and towels, for nine days, while state officials "tried to find a contractor that would take the job." Finally they find somebody, the "Cleaning Guys."

Don't you guys care about ebola and pandemic response? Don't you see there is a big problem here? If we do get a pandemic it will be katrina all over again -- we have the resources, but something is screwed up with the laws and how state and federal interact. And actually, the federal gov already has emergency authority so why didn't it act, why did it leave it up to this municipal gov to handle, why wasn't the CDC there cleaning that apartment, why didn't the CDC or army bio corps take that family off to quarantine?

As it was, it was so amateur, city gov officials had to "find a friend" that would loan a private home to put the family in. Don't you see, they've got no plan at all, there's something bad wrong about the CDC.
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Re: Doctor protests in hazmat suit, says CDC is lying

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sun 05 Oct 2014, 15:18:44

Ok, well bingo, here's the answer. There are no federal gov "men in spacesuits," it really is all left up to local authorities:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')img]http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/140501150653-dr-tom-frieden-story-body.jpg[/img]

So, who's in charge of the battle against Ebola?

It's a partnership between the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and state and local governments where an Ebola case occurs, said CDC Director Tom Frieden.

But local officials ultimately are in charge of each case, he said.

"We work very closely with state and local governments, and when there's an episode in a state or local government, they are in charge, and we support them in every way," Frieden told CNN on Friday.
"They assign an incident manager. They establish an emergency operations system. They outline every aspect and we work very closely ... There's a great collaboration," Frieden added.

...

Have there been any government snafus?

Yes.

Not surprisingly, there's bureaucratic red tape that has slowed government response to Texas' Ebola case and its attendant concerns.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/03/us/ebola-whos-in-charge/


That's a recipe for disaster. "Federal and local partnerships" is no way to handle the initial stages of pandemic. That's katrina strategy all over again.
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