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The militarization of space escalates!

Postby Grifter » Thu 18 Jan 2007, 16:40:24

Damn clever those Chinese. Covering their asses I assume

US condemns China 'space weapon'
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Re: The militarization of space escalates!

Postby AWPrime » Thu 18 Jan 2007, 19:03:58

That is a good hit.
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Re: The militarization of space escalates!

Postby PrairieMule » Thu 18 Jan 2007, 20:48:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Grifter', 'D')amn clever those Chinese. Covering their asses I assume

US condemns China 'space weapon'


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Re: The militarization of space escalates!

Postby Falconoffury » Thu 18 Jan 2007, 21:05:48

Space appears to be already claimed, so we will be fighting for it.

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Secret Unmanned Space Plane Returns Safely

Postby deMolay » Fri 03 Dec 2010, 09:53:24

Pretty cool space achievement for the USA. http://www.satnews.com/cgi-bin/story.cg ... 2047836272
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Re: Secret Unmanned Space Plane Returns Safely

Postby mos6507 » Fri 03 Dec 2010, 15:08:56

You mean this wasn't just another attempt to bash Obama?
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Postby deMolay » Fri 03 Dec 2010, 15:24:50

They said on wikileaks that Obama is going to use the x-37 to make his escape when he gets stomped in 2012.
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Re: Secret Unmanned Space Plane Returns Safely

Postby mos6507 » Fri 03 Dec 2010, 16:07:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'T')hey said on wikileaks that Obama is going to use the x-37 to make his escape when he gets stomped in 2012.


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Re: Secret Unmanned Space Plane Returns Safely

Postby the48thronin » Fri 03 Dec 2010, 16:29:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'T')hey said on wikileaks that Obama is going to use the x-37 to make his escape when he gets stomped in 2012.


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Re: Secret Unmanned Space Plane Returns Safely

Postby Xenophobe » Fri 03 Dec 2010, 17:23:45

It isn't secret if we know about it.

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Re: Secret Unmanned Space Plane Returns Safely

Postby deMolay » Fri 03 Dec 2010, 17:28:28

Just for the record it was Moses6507 that raised the Obama Spectre. I merely joined in, he hijacked another thread oh well. But as I said in the original post excellant and an exciting achievement I think. In my opinion the first real first space airplane. Wright Brothers sort of thing.
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Pentagon's secret "space shuttle" space drone

Postby Sixstrings » Mon 29 Sep 2014, 05:18:49

Just thought this was cool, hadn't heard of it before:

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What is the Pentagon’s secret space drone doing?

For almost two years, an unmanned space plane bearing a remarkable resemblance to NASA’s space shuttle has circled the Earth, performing a top-secret mission. It’s called the X-37B Orbital Test Vehicle — but that’s pretty much all we know for certain.

Theories about its mission have ranged from an orbiting space bomber to an anti-satellite weapon.
The truth, however, is likely much more obvious: According to intelligence experts and satellite watchers who have closely monitored its orbit, the X-37B is being used to carry secret satellites and classified sensors into space — a little-known role once played by NASA’s new retired space shuttle.

Now, with the X-37B, the Pentagon no longer has to rely on NASA, or humans. The X-37B resembles the shuttle, or at least a shrunken down version of the shuttle. Like the space shuttle, the X-37B is boosted into orbit by an external rocket, but lands like an aircraft on a conventional runway. But the X-37B is just shy of 10 feet tall and slightly less than 30 feet long.

Its cargo bay, often compared to the size of a pickup truck bed, is just big enough to carry a small satellite. Once in orbit, the X-37B deploys a foldable solar array, which is believed to power the sensors in its cargo bay.

“It’s just an updated version of the space shuttle type of activities in space,” insisted one senior Air Force official in 2010, the year of the first launch, when rampant speculation about the secret project prompted some to question whether it was possibly a space bomber.
http://nypost.com/2014/09/28/what-is-the-pentagons-secret-space-drone-doing/
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Re: Pentagon's secret "space shuttle" space drone

Postby AgentR11 » Mon 29 Sep 2014, 08:35:09

Everyone talks about either "re-useability" or what cargo it lifts.
Wings on a spacecraft have only one purpose.
To bring something down from orbit in one piece and land it at an arbitrary site.

It seems to spend very long periods in orbit for 'just' a delivery vehicle. Whatever coolness they're playing with must be components that are integrated into the cargo bay as opposed to just a satellite it places in orbit. And they wouldn't spend 600 days in orbit just to capture and bring down a satellite. Maybe they're testing the photon torpedoes they smuggled off the Enterprise when it came back to fight the Borg! LOL!!!!! Silly Federation white-hats....
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Re: Pentagon's secret "space shuttle" space drone

Postby Sixstrings » Mon 29 Sep 2014, 09:58:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'E')veryone talks about either "re-useability" or what cargo it lifts.
Wings on a spacecraft have only one purpose.
To bring something down from orbit in one piece and land it at an arbitrary site.


I don't know, did the shuttle ever "bring anything back?" Generally it's not worth it to go get something, just leave it up there or deorbit it. Nothing to be gained by physically retrieving a satellite.

Space shuttle was great at those repair missions though and thank goodness or Hubble never would have got fixed.

But maybe you're right. What would they be "bringing back," though, from orbit? It's notable by the way this is a US Air Force spacecraft -- not NASA.

Doesn't make sense that it's just for taking up military satellites. That kind of thing does not require wings or a cargo bay just a darn rocket will do and is much cheaper.

So what are the advantages of this thing.. to sit in orbit and be able to fly down anywhere on earth, at any time? Even then, why the wings? Parachutes will do.

It could really just be continuing "spaceplane" development. Which we've been at now since the Apollo program. It hasn't added up to being worth it or feasible, all we can do is launch them on rockets and land like a plane but what's the point. :?: None of them can take off like a plane and land that way.

Will take a lot more advances to get there, some kind of new engine types, otherwise you just can't get the delta v to get to orbit and have enough fuel all in one spacecraft.

I think Elon Musk will get reusable rockets done first, and "spaceplanes" will remain expensive and unnecceary science fiction, for a long time to come.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t seems to spend very long periods in orbit for 'just' a delivery vehicle.


Mmmhm, yeah 2 years is a long time. Maybe it's stuck in orbit? Does anyone really know?

I'm sure the Russians and Chinese wonder what's it doing up there. :lol:

Hey Agent -- maybe the wings and space shuttle angle are all cover story, like how the U2 spy plane was supposedly for studying high altitude atmosphere or the weather or something?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')aybe they're testing the photon torpedoes they smuggled off the Enterprise when it came back to fight the Borg! LOL!!!!! Silly Federation white-hats....


The Soviets were convinced the space shuttle had a secret military application. Bombs from space. For that matter, 1960s Americans thought Sputnik was probably a space bomb.

So anyhow the Soviets went and built their own space shuttle -- the Buran -- even though they had absolutely no reason or use for a space shuttle. :lol:

Here's something I'd wonder about this drone -- how much fuel does it have, and after re-entry is it just a glider or can if fly around?

Now THAT would have some military application. Fighter drones in orbit, ready to swoop down anywhere anytime, faster than getting conventional drones in place.

EDIT: looking at the pic again, ok, those tiny little wings -- ya that's just a glider. Question reamins: what does it pick up and bring back? :?: :?: :?:
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Re: Pentagon's secret "space shuttle" space drone

Postby Sixstrings » Mon 29 Sep 2014, 10:19:10

Well this is interesting. I didn't even know there was a "US Air Force Space Command."

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What's the mystery mission's secret?

Before retiring from the Air Force this month, Gen. William Shelton, commander of the Air Force Space Command, remained bullish on the X-37B's hush-hush mission. [10 Most Destructive Space Weapon Concepts]

"I'll give you my standard line on X-37," Shelton told Space.com at the National Space Foundation's 30th Space Symposium in May. "X-37 is doing great. I can't tell you what it's doing, but it's doing great."

Meanwhile, Boeing Space & Intelligence Systems, the Air Force's supplier for the X-37B space planes, told Space.com that there was nothing it could share regarding the ongoing mission.
http://news.yahoo.com/us-air-forces-secretive-x-37b-space-plane-111530306.html


I see this drone listed in a "top 10 most destructive space weapons" article:

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Scheduled for a test flight on April 20, 2010, the reusable robotic X-37B Orbital Test Vehicle (OTV) is a small space shuttle-like craft developed by the US Air Force.

If such a reusable space plane becomes feasible, it will offer unheard-of capabilities for launch on-demand, surprise, and flexibility. If those benefits aren't enough, the space plane may be outfitted with a weapon to drop tungsten rods on Earth targets from outer space, the so-called "Rods from God."
http://www.space.com/19-top-10-space-weapons.html


Hm.. "Rods from God" -- kinetic weapon tungsten rods:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he typical depiction of the tactic is of a satellite containing a magazine of tungsten rods and a directional thrust system. When a strike is ordered, the satellite would brake one of the rods out of its orbit and into a geostationary position while directly over the target. The rod would then begin to fall towards the earth, picking up immense speed until it reached terminal velocity shortly before impact. The rods would often be shaped so as to increase the terminal velocity. In science fiction, the tactic is often depicted as being launched from a spaceship, instead of a satellite.

Kinetic bombardment has the advantage of being able to deliver the projectiles from a very high angle at a very high speed, making them extremely difficult to defend against. In addition, projectiles would not require explosive warheads, and —in the simplest designs— would consist entirely of solid metal rods, giving rise to the common nickname "Rods from God." Disadvantages include the technical difficulties of ensuring accuracy and the prohibitively high cost of positioning ammunition in orbit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment


This is funny :lol: :

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;X-37 is doing great. I can't tell you what it's doing, but it's doing great."
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Re: Pentagon's secret "space shuttle" space drone

Postby vox_mundi » Mon 29 Sep 2014, 19:38:28

One of the missions was observing the Chinese space station. It was parked in the same orbit, trailing by a few degrees.

Regarding your question of why anyone would want to bring back something - 90% of the satellites up there are military and 50-60% don't belong to us. Many of those foreign satellites have classified 'stuff' onboard. Might be interesting to 'borrow' one from time to time. And it would be a 'real shame' if someone else's spy satellite suddenly stopped working while it was on the backside of the planet.

If you want to get an idea of what weapons might be up there check out some DARPA budget line items

http://www.darpa.mil/NewsEvents/Budget.aspx

Sentient Computers, Particle Beam Weapons, Anti-matter Weapons, Gravity & Inertia Shielding Fields, Quantum Computers, Programmable Biological Systems, etc.

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Re: Pentagon's secret "space shuttle" space drone

Postby AgentR11 » Tue 30 Sep 2014, 00:36:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'I') don't know, did the shuttle ever "bring anything back?"

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Re: Pentagon's secret "space shuttle" space drone

Postby Sixstrings » Tue 30 Sep 2014, 10:27:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'I') don't know, did the shuttle ever "bring anything back?"

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I mean other than astronauts off the ISS and trash or whatever, experiments etc.

Seriously I don't remember ever hearing about any satellites captured and brought back to earth. :?:
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Re: Pentagon's secret "space shuttle" space drone

Postby Sixstrings » Tue 30 Sep 2014, 10:35:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vox_mundi', 'O')ne of the missions was observing the Chinese space station. It was parked in the same orbit, trailing by a few degrees.


One of these articles I read debunked that, it said somebody looked at the orbits and the drone was in fact never close. Cool story if it's true though, can you back it up with any proof / link?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')egarding your question of why anyone would want to bring back something - 90% of the satellites up there are military and 50-60% don't belong to us. Many of those foreign satellites have classified 'stuff' onboard. Might be interesting to 'borrow' one from time to time.


Ok, as a practical matter, did the old shuttle ever REALLY do that? Just steal a satellite from the Russians or whatever? I find that highly unlikely, that kind of thing would make the Russians or Chinese VERY upset.

And there is no way to grab a satellite, take it down, pick at it then bring it back up without the Russians or Chinese ever knowing it was gone. Ergo, I just don't think that ever happened -- it's a GREAT idea for a shuttle granted, BUT did it ever actually happen?

If nothing else what about the fact that every NASA mission was an open book and broadcast on NASA tv, cameras in the cargo bay and all that.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd it would be a 'real shame' if someone else's spy satellite suddenly stopped working while it was on the backside of the planet.


You don't need a shuttle to do that, though. A plain old missile can intersect and destroy a satellite.

Another issue: this drone's cargo baby is about the side of a pickup truck bed. Isn't that too small for a lot of the Russian and Chinese satellites?
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Re: Pentagon's secret "space shuttle" space drone

Postby KaiserJeep » Tue 30 Sep 2014, 10:43:21

The commonest thing brought back to Earth is old fashioned film. Space based cameras are one of the last holdouts for film. Such cameras are capable of much finer resolution photos than electronic cameras which are limited by the number of photodetector devices in the sensor array.

Using film, you can take high resolution photos of wide areas, and then have those images analyzed by computers and people. In this way you can search an entire country from orbit. The electronic cameras can achieve equal resolution but with much smaller fields of view, limited by the bandwidth required to transmit the images.
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