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Re: Is sugar the next tobacco?

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 10 Sep 2014, 11:36:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', 'T')he question is, how paleo do you want to go?

Human Ancestors Were Nearly All Vegetarians

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/gue ... getarians/

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e have special immune systems, special brains, even special hands, but our guts are ordinary and for tens of millions of years those ordinary guts have tended to be filled with fruit, leaves, and the occasional delicacy of a raw hummingbird..

What should you eat? The truth is that many different diets consumed by our ancestorsal insect diet, mastodon diets or whatever you please–-would be, although some perfect panacea, better than the average modern diet, one so bad that any point in the past can come to seem like the good ole days, unless you go too far back to a point when our ancestors lived more like rats and probably ate everything, including their own feces.

Sometimes what happens in paleo should really stay in paleo.


Vegan propaganda. Human beings are omnivores and our base society are HUNTER gatherers. Like any other predator the hunt was not always successful and out ability to find healthy plant foods was vital to our success. Claiming we were a bunch of vegans running around with spears just for self protection is like saying your father in law brought his shotgun to your wedding to keep bandits away.
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Re: Is sugar the next tobacco?

Unread postby dohboi » Wed 10 Sep 2014, 12:57:54

Guys, read the whole article, it's not that long. You are missing his point. I don't agree with everything he says, but at least don't set up a strawman of your own imagining--those tend to be pretty darn easy to knock down!

"we must have meat for the B-12, omega-3 oils, and saturated fats" Not true (and certainly not true that you need to eat cattle for them, the main culprit for GW exacerbating livestock)
http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/b12.php
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/2 ... 99283.html
http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/fatstable

"more meat is good, not bad" A statement of ideology, not fact.

"grains. This critical component of the modern processed-food diet"

He clearly says that almost any kind of paleo diet would be better than our over-processed one.

He also says that if a particular diet, works well for you, you should go with it. Different people from different traditions are going to do better on different diets.

The problem we have as a planet is that we can't all eat meat heavy diets at this point and have a sustainable planet. Meat lovers, then, should be the biggest promoters of getting others to become vegan so that there's more meat left over for them! :lol:
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Re: Is sugar the next tobacco?

Unread postby AgentR11 » Wed 10 Sep 2014, 17:47:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', 'M')eat lovers, then, should be the biggest promoters of getting others to become vegan so that there's more meat left over for them! :lol:


While it may be overstating it to call myself a meat lover; the above sentence is quite spiffy. I'm all for all of you folks becoming vegans; as long as I'm not required to. Though I would prefer enough company to keep beef, lamb, fish, eggs, and poultry well stocked at the grocer.
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Re: Is sugar the next tobacco?

Unread postby dohboi » Wed 10 Sep 2014, 22:36:58

I'm glad to see that I have been so...persuasive! 8)
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