[Heineken]

Two or three decades aren't nearly enough time to achieve this sea change toward sustainability, Omnitir. Two or three centuries might be closer to what's needed, if everyone suddenly started acting cooperatively and rationally right now and MQ's "to do" list was enacted. Even then we face a cliff.

The trends firmly in place now are for things to get worse. Amazon rain forest disappearing, global warming, death of the oceans, energy depletion, groundwater depletion, desertification and droughts---all these massive problems and many more aren't going away any time soon.

And the population keeps growing, which rapidly undermines any slight progress that might be made on some fronts.

Your mentality on the population issue in particular is utterly incomprehensible to me.

What we need is unlimited wisdom, not unlimited energy.

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'T')wo or three centuries might be closer to what's needed, if everyone suddenly started acting cooperatively and rationally right now and MQ's "to do" list was enacted. Even then we face a cliff..

[joewp]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', '
')And I agree, we haven’t yet reached sustainability.

[GoIllini]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'N')ew? Not hardly. You will find it many times in my writings on this site over the last two years.

It means we have been doing it this way for so long and have so much invvested in doing it this way, that it will not soon pass.

[Aaron]

So... nice ZPE thread...

[Omnitir]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'T')wo or three decades aren't nearly enough time to achieve this sea change toward sustainability, Omnitir. Two or three centuries might be closer to what's needed

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', ' ')
But here’s the massive flaw that almost everyone makes with future predictions: the rate of change is not linear, it’s exponential.

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'T')wo or three decades aren't nearly enough time to achieve this sea change toward sustainability, Omnitir. Two or three centuries might be closer to what's needed

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', '
')But here’s the massive flaw that almost everyone makes with future predictions: the rate of change is not linear, it’s exponential.

[Heineken]

Big difference between one person and the gigantic flywheel called Earth, doly.

[Omnitir]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', ' ')What made the rate of change exponential? Population growth? Energy consumption?

[Dezakin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', '
')But here’s the massive flaw that almost everyone makes with future predictions: the rate of change is not linear, it’s exponential.

[Subjectivist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')rof. Dr. Claus W. Turtur (University of Applied Sciences Braunschweig-Wolfenbüttel - Germany) writes: Although I verified the practical utilization of free energy in the laboratory, I had to stop my research work completely. This is not very nice, because "Free and Clean Energy" would be important for mankind.
For all who want to see my former results: Please scroll down.

The zero-point oscillations of Quantum Electrodynamics do contain a huge amount of energy, which is known on the one hand from Cosmological measurements and on the other hand from measurements on the well known Casimir-effect.


The question is now, whether mankind can get benefit of this energy, which would be of serious practical importance, because this energy is understood without any connection to visible matter. Thus a conversion of this energy into a usable form of energy will be free from any pollution of our environment by principle.

The following links introduce into a theoretical understanding of this energy and furthermore they demonstrate a successful conversion of this energy into classical mechanical energy, as it was already performed in the Laboratory. Up to now, some knowledge of the fundamental principles of Physics is developed, but the technical maturity of this energy conversion is in far future, because in the experiment done up to now, only 150 NanoWatts of machine power had been gained.

More from source: http://www.ostfalia.de/cms/de/pws/turtur/FundE/English/

[KaiserJeep]

In case anyone didn't know this, "Zero Point Energy" became a plot device on the Stargate: Atlantis TV show about one year before this thread started. The show's "Zero Point Energy Modules" were glowing crystals about the size of 3lb coffee cans that powered spaceships.

Don't you just hate it when a con artist isn't even original?

[Subjectivist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'I')n case anyone didn't know this, "Zero Point Energy" became a plot device on the Stargate: Atlantis TV show about one year before this thread started. The show's "Zero Point Energy Modules" were glowing crystals about the size of 3lb coffee cans that powered spaceships.

Don't you just hate it when a con artist isn't even original?

[Subjectivist]

I just read a sci-fi novel by Edward M. Lerner and Larry Niven in which ZPE plays a prominent role. Dr. Lerner is a physicist and computer specialist and the story is a precautionary tale of sorts. In the fictional scenario the slightest imbalance in the ZPE power tap causes a test on a far distant planet something like Pluto to explode like Alderaan in Star Wars : A New Hope when the Death Star destroys it.

Maybe he posits this for dramatic effect, but perhaps the energies involved really are too large for humans to be mucking around with.

[Keith_McClary]

xkcd

[Keith_McClary]

Free energy for sale: Steorn's impossible Orbo hits the market
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat makes this episode different from each of Steorn's previous adventures is that for the first time they are making Orbo-powered products available to the public, to be put to long-term use, tested, and torn apart. Their first products are clunky, impractical and overpriced: the 1200 euros phone charger is to be followed in early 2016 by a 480 euros retro-style non-smart cell phone that never needs charging. Later offerings will include an e-cigarette and a wireless game controller. But the impracticality of this motley collection of devices is beside the point: Steorn wants to get Orbo into as many people's hands as possible, so they won't need the blessing of academic science. People will find out for themselves that Orbo works, and proclaim it over and over on the internet, until the rumble is loud enough that scientists have to take it seriously, and manufacturers want to license it. Then Steorn can leave product development to others, while they focus on lowering the cost and improving the energy density of their core technology. Eventually, Orbo will power every phone, every car, maybe even everything. That seems to be Steorn's hope, anyway.

To pull this off, they just have one final hurdle to prove they can overcome: the law of conservation of energy, one of the most basic building blocks of modern physics.