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Peak oil - true or fiction

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Re: Peak oil - true or fiction

Unread postby ralfy » Tue 31 Jul 2012, 05:37:21

The world is not some laboratory where one can simply release locked-up CO2 and plants will thrive. Even deniers will acknowledge that the world is much more complex than that, such that an increase in CO2 will have a forcing factor on others, which in turn will lead to more consequences besides "a bit of" warming.
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Re: Peak oil - true or fiction

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Tue 31 Jul 2012, 08:24:51

I wonder how the stuff originally got here. If it was by meteor deposits over a relative period of geological time, rather than all at once, the equations for consequence of concurrent release are very different to if it was all at once in the atmosphere. Never have read any science on this subject; not sure there is any. We can assume that since life emerged it has been storing the stuff away; thus it is possible that this could get to the point of disaster for all life, the snow ball scenario (which we have indeed already set back at least a billion years). But if Carbon has been arriving and being accumulated gradually as it does so, releasing a billion years or more of accumulated deposits could be a disaster in the opposite direction. All very interesting. (now some is smarty pants here going to try to tell me the answer?)
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Re: Peak oil - true or fiction

Unread postby seenmostofit » Tue 31 Jul 2012, 09:49:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', 'T')he world is not some laboratory where one can simply release locked-up CO2 and plants will thrive. Even deniers will acknowledge that the world is much more complex than that, such that an increase in CO2 will have a forcing factor on others, which in turn will lead to more consequences besides "a bit of" warming.


True. Once the atmosphere becomes more CO2 rich, we run the risk of another Azolla event, thereby plunging the planet back into another phase as "ice ball" earth.

Interesting how small changes in one direction (slight warming because of increases in a trace gas like CO2) can lead to a consequence at the opposite end of the spectrum (ice ball earth).
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Re: Peak oil - true or fiction

Unread postby Roryrules » Wed 01 Aug 2012, 05:19:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'N')o it is not. The Earth is a big bonbon with a creamy nougat center of metamorphic methane, abiotic oil, that is constantly rising to replenish petroleum stores and surface carbon for plants to metabolize. The happy golden age awaits those who dream. like you.


What the fuck are you blithering on about?
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Re: Peak oil - true or fiction

Unread postby dorlomin » Wed 01 Aug 2012, 07:43:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('meemoe_uk', '
')Even the peakers most solid argument : oil reserves are finite, so production will peak someday is somewhat dodgy : -
Yes it's true reserves are finite, but the ingredients to make oil : CO2, H2, sunlight and life, are pretty abundant in our part of the universe.

H2? What, free hydrogen.

And no mention of millions of years of burial in the oil zone, the need for a cap rock formation to prevent migration and a host of other factors.

Its almost as if you have no clue what you are talking about.
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Re: Peak oil - true or fiction

Unread postby Quinny » Wed 01 Aug 2012, 08:59:02

Almost ??
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Re: Peak oil - true or fiction

Unread postby dorlomin » Wed 01 Aug 2012, 13:01:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LateGreatPlanetEarth', 'W')hat's the latest consensus; were we duped by 'The party is over' or is the theory still valid or miscalculated?
The party is over.

As countries reign in their debt spending their economies begin to shrink.

The US will follow when it hits its next debt cealing.
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Re: Peak oil - true or fiction

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Wed 30 Apr 2014, 01:59:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'N')o it is not. The Earth is a big bonbon with a creamy nougat center of metamorphic methane, abiotic oil, that is constantly rising to replenish petroleum stores and surface carbon for plants to metabolize.
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Re: Peak oil - true or fiction

Unread postby Subjectivist » Wed 30 Apr 2014, 08:26:25

Hey that reminds me of the cartoon of the earth as a clear globe half full of oil with a straw sucking it dry!
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