Are you scared of peak oil.

by **Aaron** » Sun 19 Jun 2005, 09:06:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut with the right leadership (definitely NOT our current leadership) I think we could get through, not without hardship and suffering of course.

by **TheTurtle** » Sun 19 Jun 2005, 09:19:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'B')e aware of oil depletion...

Be afraid of how your fellow monkeys will react to it.

by **Jdelagado** » Sun 19 Jun 2005, 10:58:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiter422', 'j')delagado Don't assume you know my research habits .I have read articles for hour and hours on various web sites .

Thats why peak oil scares it scares me because I have read and analyzed enough data to have a good understanding of what is happening and I believe it is scary to anyone that understands the impact of this...To some level your scared , but You won't admit it.

Don't ever assume or juge members on there post.
You ever heard the exopression assuming makes an as- out of you [smilie=5squeeze.gif]

by **Waterthrush** » Sun 19 Jun 2005, 18:47:27

Not for myself, exactly. And I don't have children, so I'm not directly concerned for my offspring.

What I fear is that in our overpopulation and desperation, that we'll do something irreparable to the planet. Planets can die. We could put up so much carbon dioxide that the plankton die off, or burn off the rainforests in the Amazon, or something along those lines to trigger a terrible reaction.

One of my main enjoyments in life is the outdoors. I felt genuine, heartfelt joy upon hearing of the rediscovery of the ivory-billed woodpecker. That's the way I want this world to go, with more magical discoveries in moss-hung sunlit swamps. That is what I work towards with my money and my time, when I can spare it from work.

And that's what I fear will be overwhelmed by Peak Oil. All the triumphs, such as the return of the bald eagle and peregrine falcon, and the shad to the eastern US rivers - all these results of 50 years of patient work, legislation, and caring - to be swept away because we weren't men and women enough to govern our most meaningless actions, such as driving some idiotically sized vehicle in hopes of looking threatening.

So, that's my fear, that this beautiful, abundant earth will gradually (or perhaps suddenly) become a dead rather than a living planet.

by **Daculling** » Sun 19 Jun 2005, 19:16:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Waterthrush', '
')What I fear is that in our overpopulation and desperation, that we'll do something irreparable to the planet. Planets can die. We could put up so much carbon dioxide that the plankton die off, or burn off the rainforests in the Amazon, or something along those lines to trigger a terrible reaction.
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by **thequietkid10** » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 23:45:55

I'm not affaid of Peak Oil, if it means Great Depression Round II or we turn into a larger version of Cuba.

It's the prospect of watching everyone around me suffer and die because of the massive die off thing that bugs me.

I'm not so much affaid of my own mortallity if I can get as much out of my life as possible.

by **Roop** » Tue 21 Jun 2005, 18:26:00

You're goddamn right I'm scared of Peak Oil. What makes me especially scared is that I'm 25 and getting married in a month to a girl I love and now I feel like our future together is over before it's even begun. Peak Oil has been causing a lot of tension in our relationship lately, mainly due to my obsession with it, however she agrees that it is a real problem. Maybe she's right when she says in anger and frustration to me, "then what's the point of getting married, of having children, of planning a future together?"

I want to be positive, I try to be positive, I try to do good things like drive less, bike more, and conserve energy. I want to learn permaculture, I want to live a sustainable, low-energy life off the grid. Things like that give me hope. And then I read stuff like this, from Jan Lundberg on Culture Change:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')ie off will kick in first in terms of riots and killings by armed marauders, and "the police and military will not be able to keep order more than a few days, if at all" [my statement in Congress]. Next will come starvation, and cannibalism can only get people so far -- especially with rampant disease and lack of clean water to drink. Starvation will take care of perhaps 95% (ninety-five per cent) of the petroleum-dependent populations in the U.S. and perhaps elsewhere in modern industrialized countries.

by **Waterthrush** » Tue 21 Jun 2005, 21:30:26

Roop, nobody has a clear view of what will happen. I do think, though, that you will be stronger as part of a team with your girlfriend. Think several years ahead, and be gradual in your planning. Many of the initial steps to take are good advice for anyone, so they won't be that difficult to take.

Kentucky's quite a good place to be in a Peak Oil scenario, so you're already ahead of the game. The one thing I would hesitate about is kids - but you are only just getting married, you can afford to wait on that. Three years should make things much clearer.

Good luck, and get outdoors with your girlfriend. That's my panacea. Kentucky has some beautiful state parks, and it's summer, so take some hiking or bicycle trips and enjoy!

by **Aaron** » Tue 21 Jun 2005, 22:00:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'K')entucky has some beautiful state parks, and it's summer, so take some hiking or bicycle trips and enjoy!

by **Jdelagado** » Thu 23 Jun 2005, 00:27:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roop', 'Y')ou're goddamn right I'm scared of Peak Oil. What makes me especially scared is that I'm 25 and getting married in a month to a girl I love and now I feel like our future together is over before it's even begun. Peak Oil has been causing a lot of tension in our relationship lately, mainly due to my obsession with it, however she agrees that it is a real problem. Maybe she's right when she says in anger and frustration to me, "then what's the point of getting married, of having children, of planning a future together?"

I want to be positive, I try to be positive, I try to do good things like drive less, bike more, and conserve energy. I want to learn permaculture, I want to live a sustainable, low-energy life off the grid. Things like that give me hope. And then I read stuff like this, from Jan Lundberg on Culture Change:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')ie off will kick in first in terms of riots and killings by armed marauders, and "the police and military will not be able to keep order more than a few days, if at all" [my statement in Congress]. Next will come starvation, and cannibalism can only get people so far -- especially with rampant disease and lack of clean water to drink. Starvation will take care of perhaps 95% (ninety-five per cent) of the petroleum-dependent populations in the U.S. and perhaps elsewhere in modern industrialized countries.

by **Macsporan** » Thu 23 Jun 2005, 00:45:24

All this talk of going from capitalism to cannibalism in a few days is bunk IMHO.

The weight of opinion seems to be that oil supply will decrease between 2-5% a year. This is what has happened to US oil production.

This will give us a whole generation to prepare a new civilisation which I have called "Solar Byzantine".

We will have to work very hard and accept a much, much lower standard of living and a bleak, dragooned existance for a while it is doable, if we keep our nerve.

Keeping our nerve is the most important thing.

The second is being willing to accept such things as rationing.

The third is to develop an interest in steam-trains and railways. Post PO will be a "puffernutter's paradise."

But above all, don't freak out. :razz:

by **TheTurtle** » Thu 23 Jun 2005, 17:54:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Macsporan', 'A')ll this talk of going from capitalism to cannibalism in a few days is bunk IMHO.

by **Macsporan** » Fri 24 Jun 2005, 00:25:23

The 'dragooned' part should last only a generation while Byzantium is being built.

After that things will become more relaxed.

With the return of the steam-train the Puffernutters of this world will indeed think they've died and gone to heaven.

Trains can transport goods and people at one third of the cost of trucks and cars.

If you don't want to go all the way back to the Middle Ages its the obvious thing to do.

by **TheTurtle** » Fri 24 Jun 2005, 14:46:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Macsporan', 'T')he 'dragooned' part should last only a generation while Byzantium is being built.

by **OilyMon** » Sun 26 Jun 2005, 06:37:02

Peak oil is not something that we need to be scared of. American reaction to peak oil is something that should be given consideration. I would miss alot of things that this society provides, but I'm not scared to lose them. I hate television, people with ridiculous cars and car stereos, I hate Brittany Spears and her ilk, I hate talking to somebody at work about the car they just bought or the condo they moved into - not because I'm jealous - I could afford those things if I wanted to - but because it's all so meaningless.

I saw on CNN last night (uh-oh) a special presentation of some prepared news magazine with Aaron Brown. He was examining the threat of a nuclear terrorist attack on the U.S. One of the recurring images was of Arabic text used as a filler between location shots or archived footage. He looked at all the possible ways that America might be attacked - suitcase devise, smuggled dirty bomb - smuggled tactical bomb etc, and I couldn't help but wonder what the desired affect of this "special presentation" was. Was it to inform the public about the potential for attack? Was it to re-enforce the culture of fear that pervades America? Maybe he just wanted to entertain!

The thing that got me the most was the manner in which it was presented, and the dramatic flare that was added to the piece. I started to wonder what it might feel like to be an American watching this, and I realized that it would have been like watching a horror movie or riding a rollercoaster. I think the general American population enjoys fear.

by **Petro** » Sun 26 Jun 2005, 09:48:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')aybe she's right when she says in anger and frustration to me, "then what's the point of getting married, of having children, of planning a future together?"

by **smallpoxgirl** » Mon 27 Jun 2005, 16:23:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', 'M')iddle Ages? There are many of us who want to go all the way back to the Paleolithic.

by **TheTurtle** » Mon 27 Jun 2005, 17:21:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '
')Montana wasn't such a bad place 200 years ago. :-D

by **Jdelagado** » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 13:24:47

Hey Jupiter- Are you still scared, DUDE?

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