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Re: Global Warming and the End of Capitalism

Unread postby americandream » Sun 16 Feb 2014, 16:09:47

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')Material dialecticism is a subtle force and subject to dynamics that link in with our biological makeup. How adaptation emerges as a consequence, if any, will determine whether we survive. Of course, going by the sentiment of some of the more unhinged posters on this site, one does wonder.


I think there is a major difference between adaptation and a world socialist system.


Social relations are born from material conditions. We simply label them for convenience.
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Re: Global Warming and the End of Capitalism

Unread postby ralfy » Mon 17 Feb 2014, 00:47:17

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Social relations are born from material conditions. We simply label them for convenience.


Materials conditions as part of adaptation involve localization. That's not the same as a world socialist system.
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Re: Global Warming and the End of Capitalism

Unread postby radon1 » Tue 18 Feb 2014, 16:16:15

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Social relations are born from material conditions. We simply label them for convenience.


Materials conditions as part of adaptation involve localization. That's not the same as a world socialist system.


Localization, pre-Raphaelite fantasies. How are you going to maintain, say, a universal healthcare of a reasonable basic quality, in a "localized" economy, ralfy? Using magic and herbalism?
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Re: Global Warming and the End of Capitalism

Unread postby Subjectivist » Tue 18 Feb 2014, 16:35:21

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Materials conditions as part of adaptation involve localization. That's not the same as a world socialist system.


Localization, pre-Raphaelite fantasies. How are you going to maintain, say, a universal healthcare of a reasonable basic quality, in a "localized" economy, ralfy? Using magic and herbalism?


Universal health care can only exist in a fiat economy, expanding from massive fossile fuel energy fueled growth.
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Re: Global Warming and the End of Capitalism

Unread postby radon1 » Tue 18 Feb 2014, 17:12:57

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Universal health care can only exist in a fiat economy, expanding from massive fossile fuel energy fueled growth.


OK. So we will all go for a non-fiat economy with its magic, herbalism and shamanistic rituals instead of the cursed universal healthcare. Who will volunteer to be the first, to lead by example?
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Re: Global Warming and the End of Capitalism

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 18 Feb 2014, 17:44:56

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Universal health care can only exist in a fiat economy, expanding from massive fossile fuel energy fueled growth.


OK. So we will all go for a non-fiat economy with its magic, herbalism and shamanistic rituals instead of the cursed universal healthcare. Who will volunteer to be the first, to lead by example?


The Amish made that decision generations ago, and each generation of children have to choose it again for themselves. Follow their lead and be happy.
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Re: Global Warming and the End of Capitalism

Unread postby radon1 » Tue 18 Feb 2014, 18:14:31

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')The Amish made that decision generations ago, and each generation of children have to choose it again for themselves. Follow their lead and be happy.


Well, that's the key problem - the expectation that somebody else will do it. Like me, or the Amish. But I am not exactly a proponent of a burn-all-the-bridges localization, and the Amish do not seem to be actively posting on the forums.
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Re: Global Warming and the End of Capitalism

Unread postby americandream » Tue 18 Feb 2014, 22:04:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('radon1', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '
')The Amish made that decision generations ago, and each generation of children have to choose it again for themselves. Follow their lead and be happy.


Well, that's the key problem - the expectation that somebody else will do it. Like me, or the Amish. But I am not exactly a proponent of a burn-all-the-bridges localization, and the Amish do not seem to be actively posting on the forums.


Localisation has been a consistent fantasy of Luddite thinking from our first footsteps off the African Plains. However, the hand of history has dictated the globalisation of human culture and like our early plains forefathers, there is no turning the clock back, much as it appears appealing.
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Re: Global Warming and the End of Capitalism

Unread postby ralfy » Wed 19 Feb 2014, 01:25:59

Given peak oil and global warming, a universal health care system, a global economy, and a world socialist system are not sustainable. Because of that, localization is inevitable.
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Re: Global Warming and the End of Capitalism

Unread postby Strummer » Wed 19 Feb 2014, 06:34:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'L')ocalisation has been a consistent fantasy of Luddite thinking from our first footsteps off the African Plains. However, the hand of history has dictated the globalisation of human culture and like our early plains forefathers, there is no turning the clock back, much as it appears appealing.


But wasn't globalisation mainly driven by exploitation of new resources (natural or human)? When the whole world is plundered, there won't be much drive to globalise anymore.
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Re: Global Warming and the End of Capitalism

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 19 Feb 2014, 06:59:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', 'G')iven peak oil and global warming, a universal health care system, a global economy, and a world socialist system are not sustainable. Because of that, localization is inevitable.


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Re: Global Warming and the End of Capitalism

Unread postby americandream » Wed 19 Feb 2014, 16:32:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Strummer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'L')ocalisation has been a consistent fantasy of Luddite thinking from our first footsteps off the African Plains. However, the hand of history has dictated the globalisation of human culture and like our early plains forefathers, there is no turning the clock back, much as it appears appealing.


But wasn't globalisation mainly driven by exploitation of new resources (natural or human)? When the whole world is plundered, there won't be much drive to globalise anymore.


When resources dry up, you will still be American. Yet your forebears just a few generations ago were from another culture. Likewise, a global persona is emerging and will still carry that mindset around and that is the concept you need to get to grips with...cultural mindset. That affects that way societies arrange their affairs just as the Americanised Irishman, Pole, African and Asian relate in a particular way as a consequence of the new culture.
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Re: Global Warming and the End of Capitalism

Unread postby Graeme » Mon 31 Mar 2014, 19:56:09

How climate pain is being spun into corporate gain

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')Y BOOKSHELVES contain several metres of books on climate change. This addition makes many of them seem redundant. It is also by a long way the most readable – and it made me laugh.

Windfall: The Booming Business of Global Warming by journalist McKenzie Funk tells the story of the people and corporations trying to profit from climate change. Many of them don't want to halt its progress, they want to bring it on.

Here we meet private fire-fighters in drought-hit Los Angeles, selling their services to insurance companies, Russian shipping lines eyeing new routes opened up by the melting Arctic, Dutchmen rebuilding flooded islands in the Maldives, and manufacturers of snow-making machines selling their products to distressed winter resorts.

They all have an interest in global warming's destructive progress. Funk lays bare their vanities and insanities while also exposing the magic of markets that can profit from anything."I'm interested in climate change as a driver of human behaviour," says Funk. "It's a window into our collective state of mind."

Many environmentalists have been gratified recently to discover that corporations feature climate change in their annual reports, and entrepreneurs make pitches to bankers and hedge-fund managers that read like back-issues of the environmentalists' own doomsday scenarios.

The case seems to be won that climate change, rising population, and declining resources – from metals to water and land – are brewing up an environmental apocalypse. Gordon Gekko and the wolves of Wall Street have finally got climate change.

But not so fast. While greens fear the collapsing ecosystems, rising tides, climate migrations and mega-famines, the corporates and speculators see opportunity. Environmental pain can be corporate gain. In this synthesis of some of his great magazine journalism over a number of years, Funk brings the "booming business of global warming" spectacularly to life.

Some of his climate profit-takers do something useful to stem the problem at source – by building bigger and better wind turbines, for instance. But they are a small minority. Most of the windfalls are elsewhere. Seed companies like Syngenta and Monsanto develop more drought-resistant crops. Engineers ship air-conditioners or seek contracts to build sea walls round coastal cities.

Some of the entrepreneurs take advantage of politicians' desire to "do something", even something as screwy as planting a "green wall" of trees to stop the advancing Sahara desert. Others take advantage of human misery by ferrying climate refugees across the Mediterranean in leaky boats, or by building fences to keep people from fleeing Bangladesh for India.

But much of the potential profit in climate change is coming from the rapacious pursuit of resources that are in diminishing supply thanks to increasing drought and other climate changes.

Investment guru George Soros famously said "farmland is going to be one of the best investments of our time". And land-grabbers are following his advice, buying up African farm and pasture land because, well, the world is going to run out of food, isn't it?

Elsewhere, water-grabbers are building dams and sinking wells to corral scarce supplies, or getting into desalination, or playing the water markets in Australia and California. Water is no longer a publicly owned resource for the world, but a highly profitable business. Veolia, the world's largest water company, is busy in 74 countries.

Even insurers win. Twenty years ago, green campaigners heralded insurance companies as the first in the corporate world to flag up concern about climate change. But, as the activists and actuaries shared conference platforms round the world, it has emerged that the insurers are not sweating about future payouts as natural disasters escalate. Instead, they are wearing Cheshire-cat grins as they consider the "pricing power" they gain as scared property owners in flood zones and on cyclone tracks pay up whatever it takes to get cover.

If things get too scary and even the insurance companies take fright, then the big daddy of all profit engines from climate change could be geoengineering. The people who brought cloud-seeding and Star Wars military technology to past generations now want to keep out the sun by throwing sulphate particles into the stratosphere and soak up carbon by dumping iron filings into the oceans.

For them, the worst-case scenario for climate could turn out to be a best-case scenario. For the rest of us, the vision of some Climate Inc mega-corporation, contracted to keep its hands on the planet's thermostat, may be unnerving – unless, of course, you plan on being a shareholder. With money, all can profit.


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Re: Global Warming and the End of Capitalism

Unread postby Revi » Fri 02 May 2014, 11:10:27

I think our only chance as a species is Peak Oil. I used to think of Peak Oil as a catastrophe, but now I realize that it is a savior. I know a lot of people will disappear with the end of cheap oil, but it may save those who survive, whereas if climate change is unchecked it could be the end of humanity, and maybe everything else that inhabits this place. Here's a great article by Gail Tverberg about how it may play out. Check out the cliff starting next year!

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Re: Global Warming and the End of Capitalism

Unread postby Revi » Fri 02 May 2014, 11:12:08

We're going to use anything we can get, so Peak Oil might just keep us under that 2 or 3 degree threshold that starts up the positive feedback loops that crash the planet. Maybe...
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Re: Global Warming and the End of Capitalism

Unread postby americandream » Fri 02 May 2014, 18:31:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Strummer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'L')ocalisation has been a consistent fantasy of Luddite thinking from our first footsteps off the African Plains. However, the hand of history has dictated the globalisation of human culture and like our early plains forefathers, there is no turning the clock back, much as it appears appealing.


But wasn't globalisation mainly driven by exploitation of new resources (natural or human)? When the whole world is plundered, there won't be much drive to globalise anymore.


Material conditions give rise to new forms and values (culture). These same conditions gave rise to the American culture which you, fully immersed as you are (and I as a participant in the socio-economy), take for granted and will be subject to, in subtle ways, even within a new cultural dynamic, till the end of time.
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Re: Global Warming and the End of Capitalism

Unread postby Graeme » Fri 02 May 2014, 21:23:52

Capitalism Unable to Deal with Climate Change

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')It is time to craft new politics and economic policies to address the sustainability crisis, according to the latest edition of a flagship report by the Worldwatch Institute, a think tank here.

The global community has delayed addressing the issues associated with rapid climate change and environmental degradation for too long, according to the 294-page report, “Governing for Sustainability”.

And it is this failure in governance that has resulted in the most alarming environmental challenges that we face today, the institute warns, from water shortages to climate change.

The report, which marks the Worldwatch Institute’s 40th anniversary, highlights the challenges imposed by the existing economic and political order. For instance, it criticises neoliberalism for undermining democratic processes by granting a strong political voice to corporations, whose profit-maximising nature traditionally takes little account of environmental health and sustainability.

“The unrestrained flow of money into the political process essentially undermines democracy,” Michael Renner, co-director of the report, told IPS.

“We need to rethink many of our basic economic assumptions and mechanisms, and aim not only for a better and wiser distribution of resources, but also a better sharing of available work. This can’t be accomplished via conventional forms of capitalism.”


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Re: Global Warming and the End of Capitalism

Unread postby Graeme » Sat 09 Aug 2014, 19:04:57

Naomi Klein: 'Our Economic Model Is at War with Life on Earth'

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he book's title is not elusive: 'This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs. the Climate'

Due for release in September, the anticipated new work by Canadian journalist, activist and public intellectual Naomi Klein has now been previewed in a video trailer that appears to lay out its main themes and central argument.

"In December of 2012, a complex systems scientists walked up to the podium at the American Geophysics Union to present a paper," the narrator of the video—Klein herself—says as footage begins of urban high rise developments and burnt out croplands.

And the voice-over continues:

The paper was titled, "Is the Earth Fucked?" His answer was: "Yeah. Pretty much."

That's where the road we're on is taking us, but that has less to do with carbon than with capitalism.

Our economic model is at war with life on Earth.

We can't change the laws of nature, but we can change our broken economy.

And that's why climate change isn't just a disaster. It's also our best chance to demand—and build—a better world.

Change or be changed. But make no mistake... this changes everything.

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Re: Global Warming and the End of Capitalism

Unread postby Graeme » Fri 12 Sep 2014, 18:32:37

Here's a review of Klein's book:

Klein: Capitalism is Unsustainable and Driving Climate Disaster

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n her new book, This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs. the Climate (due in stores September 16), author and social activist Naomi Klein espouses that capitalism, rather than carbon, is the core issue and key driver in imminent climate disaster.

Klein argues that current carbon trading programs, for example, offer perverse motivation, enabling manufacturers to produce excess greenhouse gases, which they are then compensated to reduce. Therefore, a fight against climate change is a fight against the inherent values of capitalism.

A lengthy article by Jessica Corbett and Ethan Corey distills Klein’s argument into five basic points:

“Only mass social movements can save us now. Because we know where the current system, left unchecked, is headed.”

Klein’s indictment of corporate involvement in a process that has awarded billions of dollars to those responsible concludes that a break from market fundamentalism must be replaced by long-term planning that reverses privatization and returns basic infrastructure control to the public.

“The earth is not our prisoner, our patient, our machine, or, indeed, our monster. It is our entire world. And the solution to global warming is not to fix the world, it is to fix ourselves.”

In a chapter on geoengineering, applying smart tech to altering Mother Earth’s basic DNA, Klein describes creation of “a Frankenstein’s world” with “techno-fixes,” in which “the earth — our life support system — would itself be put on life support, hooked up to machines 24/7 to prevent it from going full-tilt monster on us.”

“A great many progressives have opted out of the climate change debate in part because they thought that the Big Green groups, flush with philanthropic dollars, had this issue covered. That, it turns out, was a grave mistake.”


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Re: Global Warming and the End of Capitalism

Unread postby ralfy » Sun 14 Sep 2014, 05:19:03

The same capitalist system is required for a transition to renewable energy given the presence of profits and returns on investment.
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