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Re: Stabbing the beast

Unread postby Pops » Sat 25 Jan 2014, 09:09:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sparky', 'a')lso, whatever news coming over the radio is probably someone else plan

Check! LOL
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Re: Stabbing the beast

Unread postby Rod_Cloutier » Sat 25 Jan 2014, 21:04:17

Running with your kids to the forest, or stocking up on beans is a great plan for a short term crisis or disaster.

Neither of those things will work for a long drawn out situation; such as a gradual decline in society over the time span of several decades. Besides being a target of looters, I predict the survivalists will be the first ones up against the wall when the crisis hits. They will be ignoring or openly challenging authorities, they will have antisocial opinions and actions, like shooting their neighbors; rather than sharing. Who will help them out in the woods should they have a medical emergency, need an antibiotic, or develop skin cancer from being out in the sun too much...

Hoarding is a short term solution only, you can avoid the initial die off, like the one suggested by this survivalist nurse:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... a5iATM#t=0

She has her own youtube channel with over 100 prepping videos!
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Re: Stabbing the beast

Unread postby lasseter » Sun 26 Jan 2014, 06:29:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Repent', 'B')esides being a target of looters, I predict the survivalists will be the first ones up against the wall when the crisis hits. They will be ignoring or openly challenging authorities, they will have antisocial opinions and actions, like shooting their neighbors; rather than sharing.


I am careful not to confuse half the stories and opinions posted on internet forums by survivalists with what they will actually do when tshtf. Most live normal lives and behave like normal people and that will not change if the wheel fall off. Many other survivalists have a natural disposition towards what they call OPSEC, and the last thing they will be doing is challenging authorities or expressing anti-social opinions in public.

The basis of survivalism to my mind is having a well stocked larder that no one knows about.
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Re: Stabbing the beast

Unread postby Pops » Sun 26 Jan 2014, 10:01:53

Everyone is a "survivalist" aren't you?

I don't remember meeting anyone at least somewhat sane who didn't want to survive. Different people have different fears, some are afraid of being hungry, some of being homeless, some of people "different" than them, some of government repression, etc.

What sets those who actively plan for the unexpected apart from the rest is mostly distrust I think. It's no coincidence that the rise in "Preppers" come at the same time as increasing distrust in government or at least in politicians. As well, I think we've become so disengaged from the environment and from our sources of food in particular that we're like Wiley Coyote who runs off the cliff but only realises his dilemma when he looks down.

Confronting whatever fears makes them recede, or at least it does for me. I think anyone who posts here and says they have no fears of the future must be in some serious denial, otherwise why would you click us? I think the deniers are probably most afraid, otherwise why work so hard to debunk depletion instead of simply clicking something else?
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Re: Stabbing the beast

Unread postby sparky » Sun 26 Jan 2014, 23:45:08

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Interesting , Pops Thailand , Egypt , Ukraine have their issues with a central administration
add the Ukip in Britain , Scottish and Catalonia secession or the rise in populists mouvements
like the Tea party or the French National Front ,
I know there is always something going on somewhere ,
but there seems to be a lot of stress between governance and governees
usually the democratic process is the remedy but this doesn't seems to cut the mustard anymore
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Re: Stabbing the beast

Unread postby ralfy » Mon 27 Jan 2014, 01:43:47

Survival will require more than just provisions.
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Re: Stabbing the beast

Unread postby sparky » Mon 27 Jan 2014, 02:54:33

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My point again , the first tool of survival is the proper attitude .
Paranoia developed in grass eating animals as a survival tool
it get out of control in our soft safe world but it's good to keep it sharp
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Re: Stabbing the beast

Unread postby lasseter » Mon 27 Jan 2014, 09:44:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sparky', '.')
I know there is always something going on somewhere ,
but there seems to be a lot of stress between governance and governees
usually the democratic process is the remedy but this doesn't seems to cut the mustard anymore


I think the democratic process only works when the voters have enough food and have decent job prospects to allow acquisition of future food. Egypt is proving this out, the French revolution did as well. Historically, high taxes have been attributed to the rise of the world's rebellions. But behind high taxes is the concequence of lowered standards of living (hunger).

Iceland was an interesting case in that the people rebelled (without violence) at the very outset. The refused to accept the austerity that would have resulted in having to pay back the money lost by their banking shenanigans. It was probably only their small population and relative high standard of living that allowed this to happen though.
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