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Re: Here Comes The Meltdown Pt. 9.2-Double Dip-

Unread postby Strummer » Tue 07 Jan 2014, 13:04:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('copious.abundance', 'B')ut the global economy has shown signs of stabilizing in recent months, leading to more orders for American petroleum, industrial supplies, capital goods and autos.


Is there a detailed breakdown of those exports by sectors available somewhere on the net?
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Re: Here Comes The Meltdown Pt. 9.2-Double Dip-

Unread postby Loki » Tue 07 Jan 2014, 14:19:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('copious.abundance', 'T')his:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', 'T')he decline of manufacturing employment is not an insignificant metric when it comes to evaluating your recovery hypothesis, as suggested by this:

And this:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', 'B')y your own admission the recovery of manufacturing has little impact on employment and associated metrics like household income.

Are completely in contradiction with one another. Someday I might actually get someone debating me here who knows what they're talking about and doesn't tend to contradict themselves.

No. Reading comprehension, dude.

There has been a long-term decline in manufacturing jobs in the US, one of the factors explaining the decline in median household income. This isn't all globalization, automation plays an even more important role.

When we see a “recovery” in manufacturing, we should not expect to see a significant number of jobs created or any noticeable impact on median household income. Why? Please refer to the previous paragraph.

So crow all you want about the recovery of manufacturing, it ain't trickling down. Robots don't buy soy vanilla lattes at Starbucks. If they did, we might see an improvement of this metric:

Employment-Population Ratio - 25-54 yrs
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Oh wait, there has been a recovery. See that tiny little uptick at the end? All hail the Great Recovery! :lol:
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Re: Here Comes The Meltdown Pt. 9.2-Double Dip-

Unread postby copious.abundance » Tue 07 Jan 2014, 15:09:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here has been a long-term decline in manufacturing jobs in the US, one of the factors explaining the decline in median household income.

Real median family income is actually about the same it was in 1995. Horrors! And notice it rose from 1985 to around 1999, even as manufacturing jobs fell. So, it basically has absolutely nothing to do with manufacturing jobs. You're just another naif who glamorizes manufacturing jobs even though such idolization is completely without merit.

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And on a similar topic, here's a nice "read it and weep" investigation:

Census data on income distribution reveal evidence of rising income levels for a rising share of American households

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he top two charts above show that the share of American “middle class” households making either: a) $25,000 to $75,000 or b) $35,000 to $75,000, did decline starting in the 1970s, but it was because a greater share of American households were moving up to a higher-income category ($75,000 and above), not down into a lower-income category (which were declining as shares of all households, though at a lower rate than the decline in the share of middle-income households). And that movement of the middle-class (and the lower-income group) was so significant that between 1967 and 2009, the share of American households earning incomes above $75,000 more than doubled, from 14.4% to 31.6%. Further, the bottom chart above shows that the share of US households earning $100,000 or above has more than tripled from 6.1% in 1969 to 20.1% in 2009.

Maybe now you should realize why there's so much of that suburban sprawl you seem unaware exists.
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Re: Here Comes The Meltdown Pt. 9.2-Double Dip-

Unread postby copious.abundance » Tue 07 Jan 2014, 15:28:05

The following two charts would seem to completely contradict pstarr's claim. Notice how much more volatile manufacturing employment is compared to the service sector.

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Re: Here Comes The Meltdown Pt. 9.2-Double Dip-

Unread postby copious.abundance » Tue 07 Jan 2014, 18:09:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'N')otice the inverse correlation between manufacturing employment and volatility.

That was a very poorly done red herring there, p-the-starr. You could have done better than that!
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Re: Here Comes The Meltdown Pt. 9.2-Double Dip-

Unread postby copious.abundance » Tue 07 Jan 2014, 21:46:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', ' '). . . and the leadup to $1000/barrel petroleum

Is this a prediction? :lol:
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Re: Here Comes The Meltdown Pt. 9.2-Double Dip-

Unread postby copious.abundance » Wed 08 Jan 2014, 01:56:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('copious.abundance', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'a')ll financial stuff in now tied directly to $100/barrel petroleum . . . and the leadup to $1000/barrel petroleum

Is this a prediction? :lol:
No. It's an impossibility and that is the point. There comes the time when price says nothing about supply and demand, is only noise. Where were you on Friday July 11, 2008?

I see. Very interesting! So, is p-the-starr finally admitting the oil price spike in 2008 was a bubble with nothing to do with supply and demand, and that maybe even now it's over-priced at $90-something, and is only being held so high to please Wall Street?

In that case, I have only one thing to say: "Join us!" :lol:

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Re: Here Comes The Meltdown Pt. 9.2-Double Dip-

Unread postby copious.abundance » Wed 08 Jan 2014, 03:03:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'H')ow did you come up with that

Perhaps because you said:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')here comes the time when price says nothing about supply and demand, is only noise. Where were you on Friday July 11, 2008?

So, when one says there are times when price says nothing about supply and demand, followed immediately by asking me what I was doing on the date when oil reached $147/barrel, the reasonable conclusion would be that you were saying the $147/barrel price of oil reached on 7/11/08 said nothing about supply and demand! Ergo, it was the bubble myself and others were claiming it was.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'A')s for the muddled content ...

You are correct, your content is most definitely muddled! I would recommend laying off the wacky weed while posting in the future!
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Re: Here Comes The Meltdown Pt. 9.2-Double Dip-

Unread postby copious.abundance » Wed 08 Jan 2014, 10:43:09

Still awaiting that double-dip! :lol:

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Companies in U.S. Added 238,000 Jobs in December, ADP Says
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Companies added more workers than projected in December as U.S. employers grew more optimistic about the prospects for demand, a private report based on payrolls showed today.

The 238,000 increase in employment was the biggest since November 2012 and followed a revised 229,000 gain in November that was stronger than initially estimated
, according to the ADP Research Institute in Roseland, New Jersey. The December tally exceeded the most optimistic forecast in a Bloomberg survey in which the median projection called for a 200,000 advance.

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Estimates in the Bloomberg survey of 36 economists ranged from gains of 170,000 to 225,000 after a previously reported increase of 215,000 in November.

The December gain brought the 2013 average to 179,600 compared with 163,000 per month in the previous year, according to ADP data.

Construction increased headcount by 48,000 in December, the biggest gain since February 2006. Factories added 19,000 jobs. Goods producers in 2013 added 286,000 workers, with almost 75 percent of the gains coming from the construction industry, ADP said.

Employment in trade, transportation and utilities increased 47,000, today’s report showed. Professional and business services employment rose by 53,000 last month, the most since November 2012.

Payrolls at service providers climbed by 170,000 jobs in December
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Re: Here Comes The Meltdown Pt. 9.2-Double Dip-

Unread postby copious.abundance » Thu 09 Jan 2014, 12:10:33

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US Dec. planned layoffs plunge to lowest since 2000: Challenger
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]The number of planned layoffs at U.S. firms plunged by 32 percent in December to the lowest monthly total in more than 13 years, a report on Thursday showed.

Employers announced 30,623 layoffs last month, down from 45,314 in November, according to the report from consultants Challenger, Gray & Christmas.

The last time employers announced fewer job cuts was June of 2000, when 17,241 planned layoffs were recorded.

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Re: Here Comes The Meltdown Pt. 9.2-Double Dip-

Unread postby copious.abundance » Thu 09 Jan 2014, 22:20:34

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Gov. Brown Outlines Budget Plan to Tackle California's "Wall of Debt"
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]New spending on schools, healthcare, social services and environmental programs are all part of Gov. Jerry Brown's budget proposal that includes an increase over the current budget tempered by what the governor called "wisdom and prudence" in the face of a projected multibillion dollar budget surplus.

The governor scheduled a news conference for 3 p.m. in downtown Los Angeles to discuss details of the plan. The announcement was bumped up by one day after the 271-page blueprint was leaked to news organizations.

Soaring revenue from an improving economy and voter-approved tax increases have put the nation's most populous state in the rare position of having a projected multibillion dollar budget surplus, a financial surprise that has fueled the big-spending dreams of Democratic state lawmakers. Brown proposes an 8.5 percent boost in spending from the current year's budget, but also takes aim at nearly $355 billion in unfunded liabilities and debts.

"In the face of such liabilities, our current budget surplus is rather modest," the governor wrote in the leaked budget summary. "That is why wisdom and prudence should be the order of the day."

His budget proposal for the 2014-15 fiscal year dedicates $11 billion to paying down the debts and liabilities. That includes $6 billion in payments that had been deferred to schools and nearly $4 billion to pay down the so-called economic recovery bonds left over from administration of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

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Re: Here Comes The Meltdown Pt. 9.2-Double Dip-

Unread postby copious.abundance » Thu 09 Jan 2014, 22:29:05

And speaking of budgets ...

This, of course, is merely one man's projection, but nonetheless ...

Here’s Why U.S. Could Have a Budget Surplus by 2016
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Re: Here Comes The Meltdown Pt. 9.2-Double Dip-

Unread postby copious.abundance » Thu 09 Jan 2014, 23:14:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daniel_Plainview', 't')he only other way for the economy to "recover" would be for it to undertake the decades-long retooling, revamping, remodeling, restructuring, regalvanizing, rebooting, reforming, etc.

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Ford to Microsoft Seen Adding to Record $2 Trillion Capex
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')color=#BF4040]U.S. companies including Ford Motor Co. and Microsoft Corp. are poised to boost business investment to a record in 2014[/color], using a growing cash hoard to propel corporate spending past last year’s $2 trillion.

Chief Executive Officers are buying new machinery and investing in real estate as a U.S. budget deal and growth in Europe signal a rebound in customer demand. That marks a reversal from four years ago, when companies began restraining spending from pre-recession levels and made do with the oldest equipment in 15 years, according to BMO Capital Markets Corp.

“The U.S. is on the verge of an early capex recovery, one that is likely to have some considerable legs,” said Brian Belski, BMO chief investment strategist.

CEOs who raised dividends and increased share repurchases in recent years now must lay the groundwork for future profit increases, said Mark Luschini, chief investment strategist at Janney Montgomery Scott LLC. Investment will rise 6.7 percent, after a gain of about 2.6 percent in 2013, according to UBS Securities LLC.

“They’ve got the cash and they have no choice,” said Scott Davis, a Barclays Plc analyst in New York who covers industrial companies including General Electric Co. and Honeywell International Inc. “They need to grow and they don’t want to lose market share.

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Re: Here Comes The Meltdown Pt. 9.2-Double Dip-

Unread postby copious.abundance » Thu 09 Jan 2014, 23:34:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daniel_Plainview', 't')he only other way for the economy to "recover" would be for it to undertake the decades-long retooling, revamping, remodeling, restructuring, regalvanizing, rebooting, reforming, etc.

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Oil and Natural Gas Infrastructure Investments Will Be Boon to US GDP, Jobs
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Investment of $890 billion over the next 12 years in oil and gas transportation and storage infrastructure will move the U.S. toward a trade balance in energy and dramatically impact the U.S. economy, according to a new study from IHS Global Inc., an information and analytics firm.

In the past five years, IHS noted, the U.S added nearly 1.2 million barrels per day of crude oil production capacity. The nation now leads with world in natural gas production at 65 billion cubic feet per day. And the U.S. has added 500,000 barrels of oil equivalent per day of natural gas liquids (NGLs) since 2008.

Dramatic increases in domestic crude oil and natural gas production, the study finds, are resulting in a continuing period of major investments that include pipelines, rail, ships, storage facilities, refineries and facilities to liquefy natural gas. Between 2014 and 2020, an average of more than $80 billion will be invested annually in petroleum infrastructure, IHS predicts. After 2020, that investment will moderate but the research firm expects direct capital investment will still be nearly $60 billion by 2025.

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