[Ibon]

The parrallels are noteworthy between fish harvest and oil......using more and more sophisticated technology to find the fish, going deeper, moving from higher valued species to less as the stocks are depleted. There is an economic tipping point where harvests will decline beyond the point to make it worthwhile.

It is not hard to forecast the combination of limited harvests of our seas and land while climate change and fresh water depletion cause havoc.

Folks, this is no longer an abstract issue 40 years out. It is at our doorstep. Tragic that we had to allow consequences to arrive before intelligent mitigation but those are the facts.

The time window is now shortening when consequences start to bite. BAU complacency is about to meet with ever tightenging constraints and consequences. No one can say exactly when but we are within the window now when serious planning should be underway.

The young will inherit these consequences and the task of responding to them.

The only glimmer of hope in all of this is perhaps that young adults who will pass their most productive years facing these consequences have been raised with many more doubts regarding the resiliency of the status quo and compared to our generations, and may be suprisingly willing to confront change.

The biodiversity lost due to our ignorance and hubris will be a lasting legacy. So that they have not died in vane let us hope that this awful legacy is written in the future scriptures of sustainability as a warning.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'T')he only glimmer of hope in all of this is perhaps that young adults who will pass their most productive years facing these consequences have been raised with many more doubts regarding the resiliency of the status quo and compared to our generations, may be suprisingly willing to confront change.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'T')he only glimmer of hope in all of this is perhaps that young adults who will pass their most productive years facing these consequences have been raised with many more doubts regarding the resiliency of the status quo and compared to our generations, may be suprisingly willing to confront change.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'T')he only glimmer of hope in all of this is perhaps that young adults who will pass their most productive years facing these consequences have been raised with many more doubts regarding the resiliency of the status quo and compared to our generations, may be suprisingly willing to confront change.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '.') A youth whose political profile is a jumbled mix of new age romanticism and a strong dose of self-obsession.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '.') A youth whose political profile is a jumbled mix of new age romanticism and a strong dose of self-obsession.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', '&')quot;I would tell him to get out now! "

[Lore]

Forget private insurers in the next decade for Florida, or for that matter most coastal areas subject to inundation. The first thing that will push people off the coastlands is the lack of money to rebuild after storms. For the government to back up flood insurance it would require a commitment like both wars in the Middle East with associated costs and in the end would ultimately end up being a losing battle.

[dohboi]

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/0 ... -deep-sea/

Climate Change Will Starve The Deep Sea, Study Finds

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow does climate change cause such devastation in one of the most remote places on the planet? Unfortunately for deep-sea creatures, which might seem isolated, all of the ocean’s ecosystems are profoundly intertwined. Life on the ocean floor depends on the steady rain of dead marine life from the surface waters. And all marine life ultimately depends on phytoplankton, the microscopic plants that drift in the sunlit surface waters. Phytoplankton are expected to be hit hard by climate change, which is leading to greater stratification of the oceans. When the water column mixes less, because of sharp differences in salinity and temperature at different depths, the key nutrients phytoplankton need to grow stay locked at the bottom of the ocean. Fewer phytoplankton in turn lead to less food on the ocean floor and a sharp reduction in deep-sea life.

Dr. Jones explained that a lot of the most commercially important species found at the bottom of the oceans won’t be missed at grocery stores or on menus.

“A lot of what is harvested from the sea floor actually ends up in fish meal so people aren’t familiar with those species” said Dr. Jones. “But orange roughy, blue ling and scabbard are all fish species that frequently end up on plates.”

Much of what will be lost in the deep sea as less food filters down, however, are species which no one has heard of, because they have yet to be discovered.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'F')orget private insurers in the next decade for Florida, or for that matter most coastal areas subject to inundation. The first thing that will push people off the coastlands is the lack of money to rebuild after storms. For the government to back up flood insurance it would require a commitment like both wars in the Middle East with associated costs and in the end would ultimately end up being a losing battle.

[Newfie]

Ibon,

I detect a wee bit of unusual urgency in your writing. Is there something that has disturbed you or is it just kinda getting a bit too much to contemplate in general?

BTW, we also have rental properties. 4 apartment brownstone, we live in one. About 35 ASL in Philadelphia. I think we have plenty of time given sea level rise. I suspect that the rush into the cities as a location of last resort will drive up the price of the house, making it a hedge against inflation. Or so I hope.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'I')bon,

I detect a wee bit of unusual urgency in your writing. Is there something that has disturbed you or is it just kinda getting a bit too much to contemplate in general?

BTW, we also have rental properties. 4 apartment brownstone, we live in one. About 35 ASL in Philadelphia. I think we have plenty of time given sea level rise. I suspect that the rush into the cities as a location of last resort will drive up the price of the house, making it a hedge against inflation. Or so I hope.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'I')bon,

I detect a wee bit of unusual urgency in your writing. Is there something that has disturbed you or is it just kinda getting a bit too much to contemplate in general?

[dohboi]

"Up in the mountains I do not fear death"

I got the same sense when I used to go up into the Rockies. These days, I'd be happy for any relatively painless means of moving over to the other side.

"It will be very interesting to observe the first huge consequence of a devestated coastal area where the decision will be made not to rebuild and hundreds of thousands will be permanently relocated. This would be a game changing consequence."

Didn't Katrina permanently displace tens of thousands?

[Newfie]

Yeah, I really like visiting really small, out of the way places. Been to a few land locked towns under 300 population. Not that I would fit in there, but I like visiting. Dad had a hunting cabin he'd go to for a few weeks when he retired. He used to say "Even Jesus needed to go to the mountain to think."

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', '
')
Didn't Katrina permanently displace tens of thousands?

[dohboi]

Nice metaphor. I do wonder how easily these things can become 'normalized.' Will it just become almost expected that every year or two a major city gets nearly obliterated? Hard to imagine, I know, but people get numb to just about anything.

[Newfie]

Cool, I'll take that!

[dohboi]

I wonder what it is that is mostly causing this acidity? Perhaps some kinds of acids are less damaging than others??