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Re: The Shire or Mordor?

Unread postby Lore » Mon 23 Dec 2013, 15:20:53

Already went! I liked it better than the first, but here is a clear case of milking the cow. The Hobbit was really a rather short story and to stretch it out into three mega movies means Jackson had to take some liberties. Long sequences of fast action fight scenes. It could have been a much better film had he done it in one and laid off all the excessive CGI, more like he did in the LOTR. One more thing, Legolas looks just a little too metro-sexual for my liking in part 2.
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Re: The Shire or Mordor?

Unread postby John_A » Mon 23 Dec 2013, 16:03:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Subjectivist', 'L')ooking forward to seeing part 2 of The Hobbit tonight, it is part of my Christmas present from my wife. Anyone else going?


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Re: The Shire or Mordor?

Unread postby Subjectivist » Tue 24 Dec 2013, 01:29:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'A')lready went! I liked it better than the first, but here is a clear case of milking the cow. The Hobbit was really a rather short story and to stretch it out into three mega movies means Jackson had to take some liberties. Long sequences of fast action fight scenes. It could have been a much better film had he done it in one and laid off all the excessive CGI, more like he did in the LOTR. One more thing, Legolas looks just a little too metro-sexual for my liking in part 2.


I liked it a lot but the 15 minutes of previews made for a very long time in the theater seat. I think part one was better and I was dissipointed that they ended it in the middle of the fight with Smaug. Learning more about the wood elves was fun and seeing Gandolf do things that were off stage in the book was great, but it changes the story from being Bilbo centered into ensamble centered. If you cut out the scenes where Bilbo wasn't present you would have a two hour movie instead of two hours forty plus minutes. All the detail in Erebore was nifty, but I agree the CGI was grossly overdone both in the fight scenes and in the excessive detail scenes like the bees and butterflys.

Well thats my first impressions, time to get some sleep. Happy Christmas Eve everyone!
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Re: The Shire or Mordor?

Unread postby Beery1 » Fri 27 Dec 2013, 01:20:20

I just read a review that basically said that they're releasing to theaters what is, for all intents and purposes, an extended edition, but that contrary to what happened to LOTR, fans of the book will clamor for an alternate condensed 2 hour "special edition" without all the CGI nonsense when The Hobbit gets its final DVD release.

When I found out, last year, that they were making The Hobbit into another 9 hour extravaganza, I knew it was a mistake. To me, it's a classic example of a "one-movie" book. I figured I'd wait until the third movie comes out before I even attempt to see any of them, but I gave in and saw the first movie on video a couple of months ago. My conclusion - they turned what should have been a simple slow-paced adventure story into an all-action special effects extravaganza. Did we really need all the stupid CGI plate-throwing, tumbling down while fighting through the mines, Radagast's hare-pulled sleigh of silliness, etc., etc., etc? I don't think so - it's all unnecessary padding. To paraphrase one of my favorite lines from Jurassic Park, "Jackson was so preoccupied with whether he could add tons of mindless CGI that he didn't stop to think if he should.". Still haven't seen the second film. I want to, because I still respect some parts Peter Jackson's vision, but I can't deal with the fact that he's selling out to greedy producers who want to milk Tolkien for another few years, so what respect I still have is wearing quite thin.

I mean, what's next - are they going to make The Silmarillion into a CGI-heavy version of Game of Thrones with naked cavorting Elf-prozzers humping Dwarves and even more of the "falling while fighting" rubbish? I fear Hollywood is turning Peter Jackson into a third-rate George Lucas, and I didn't think there could be anyone more third-rate than George Lucas.
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Re: The Shire or Mordor?

Unread postby Subjectivist » Fri 27 Dec 2013, 09:56:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Beery1', 'I') just read a review that basically said that they're releasing to theaters what is, for all intents and purposes, an extended edition, but that contrary to what happened to LOTR, fans of the book will clamor for an alternate condensed 2 hour "special edition" without all the CGI nonsense when The Hobbit gets its final DVD release.

When I found out, last year, that they were making The Hobbit into another 9 hour extravaganza, I knew it was a mistake. To me, it's a classic example of a "one-movie" book. I figured I'd wait until the third movie comes out before I even attempt to see any of them, but I gave in and saw the first movie on video a couple of months ago. My conclusion - they turned what should have been a simple slow-paced adventure story into an all-action special effects extravaganza. Did we really need all the stupid CGI plate-throwing, tumbling down while fighting through the mines, Radagast's hare-pulled sleigh of silliness, etc., etc., etc? I don't think so - it's all unnecessary padding. To paraphrase one of my favorite lines from Jurassic Park, "Jackson was so preoccupied with whether he could add tons of mindless CGI that he didn't stop to think if he should.". Still haven't seen the second film. I want to, because I still respect some parts Peter Jackson's vision, but I can't deal with the fact that he's selling out to greedy producers who want to milk Tolkien for another few years, so what respect I still have is wearing quite thin.

I mean, what's next - are they going to make The Silmarillion into a CGI-heavy version of Game of Thrones with naked cavorting Elf-prozzers humping Dwarves and even more of the "falling while fighting" rubbish? I fear Hollywood is turning Peter Jackson into a third-rate George Lucas, and I didn't think there could be anyone more third-rate than George Lucas.


Given the length of the novel The Hobbit I believe two movies of 120 minutes each would have done it justice, for a total of four hours. Instead we are getting a little over twice that in screen time and almost all of it is padding that doesn't add anything to the story or move the plot along. After I saw part two I pulled out my paperback novel and looked it up, the screen time from when Bilbo entered The Lonely Mountain and met Smaug is about 20 minutes long, but only 18 pages in a 287 page book. If they kept that pace for the whole novel it mould last just under 5 hours, which would be much more acceptible than 8. Not to mention that going to the theater three times and buying three blue ray movies is a lot more expensive than two.

Oh have no doubt I am eagerly anticipating he last movie, but I am also somewhat dissipointed in the second which I expected to be the last after seeing part one. Brevity is the soul of wit, and as a famous writer once said, the greatest sin an author can make is to waste the readers time. In this context all the unneeded fluff that does little to advance the plot just wastes my time.

In the Lord of the Rings trillogy a lot of stuff had to be cut out to keep the movies down to three hours. All four novels are basically the same length so now you have the exact opposite problem, too much has been added in.
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Re: The Shire or Mordor?

Unread postby Lore » Fri 27 Dec 2013, 10:36:38

I have to agree with Beery, this could have been made into one very nice feature film. More live characters, less CGI ones. All the impossible feats of dexterity, insert filler here, add extra characters there and luck actually detracts from the story and the heart of what made Tolkien's world seem so believable and relevant. Jackson really did sell out the vision.
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