[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('step back', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gordianus', 'J')ohn_A: I have tried hard to understand your position ... My conclusion is ...that you are a troll. I had been hoping that by engaging in the debate, I might learn something new but I realize I am wasting my time.

[Strummer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', 'D')epends on which side of the human intelligence probability density function debate he stands on. If, like many, he assumed that human intelligence is normally distributed, then mean equals median and either, or both, answers are correct.

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Strummer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', 'D')epends on which side of the human intelligence probability density function debate he stands on. If, like many, he assumed that human intelligence is normally distributed, then mean equals median and either, or both, answers are correct.

[Gordianus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gordianus', 'M')y conclusion is the same as pstarr, that you are a troll. I had been hoping that by engaging in the debate, I might learn something new but I realise I am wasting my time.

[Quinny]

Still no answer from JA to my very simple question.

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '
')It isn't a waste of time Gord, 99% of folks won't post, only read and your engagement is what we want them to read.

John_A (and his many predecessors) perform the function of voicing the BAU POV, without which there would not be much to say and so no chance to educate the passing surfer. I think the demise of many boards is related to the extent to which the opposing view is moderated and the talk becomes inbred to the point of irrelevance.

He isn't a shill for PO.com but if we didn't have a foil to come up with nonsensical arguments, we'd need to invent one to encourage conversation. He's our very own autonomous-touch-typing-strawman.

Please continue to debate if you can stand it. If not, simply click his name then click "Add Foe" and he will be banished from your sight.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', 'I') think trolling refers to repeating the same wrong arguments even after they have been debunked.

[MD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gordianus', 'M')y conclusion is the same as pstarr, that you are a troll. I had been hoping that by engaging in the debate, I might learn something new but I realise I am wasting my time.

[Quinny]

I understand your point entirely (and agree), but I was referring to the point that John A also states that NOBODY takes into account the energy embodied by geological processes and yet STILL makes the statement.

Like you most on here are perfectly familiar with Physics and do not need the 'lectures' on it's application from JA that are basically meaningless.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('step back', 'Q')uinny,

It's been so long ago that who can remember?

Do you mean this?:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'Y')ou haven't answered the ? You make a statement saying that more energy went into manufacturing that one gallon of diesel than is embodied in it! ... What makes it so? ... Please explain?

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '
')Trolling has a very specific definition @po.com;
Repeated posting designed to elicit an emotional, angry response.

That's it.

Mods here don't have the responsibility of fact checking every post, judging which arguments have been proven or debunked; policing the viewpoints of the members or directing the conversation one way or the other. The Mods main responsibility is to attempt to keep the conversation civil and let it develop as it will. In the rare instance we have moved to prevent the derailment of every thread in a particular direction or by a particular off topic argument.

It's only taken us 10 years and lots of burnt out Mods to figure that out, LOL.

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('step back', '
')Maybe the short term memory neurons in my brain are fried.
Better take them over to Fry's Electronics and have them tested.

I seem to recall you saying that EROEI is never the deciding factor in the oil patch and only the money kind of $RO$I is the deciding factor.

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'S')till no answer from JA to my very simple question.

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', '
')What is notable is that the errors are mentioned repeatedly across several threads.

[Quinny]

You posted a reply that mentioned ROCKMAN's accounting for well expenditure. You did not explain how you can make the 2 statements that you did. ie NOBODY takes into account geological processes and prehistoric solar inputs and manufacturing a gallon of diesel takes much more energy than it contains.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'S')till no answer from JA to my very simple question.

[ROCKMAN]

Quinny - Have you ever read why I don't try to teach pigs to roller skate? Simple actually: because it would only frustrate me and irritate the pigs. Essentially doesn't do anyone any good. But I do admit an occasion urge to slap some inlines onto one of those porkers. LOL

[Quinny]

You're better keeping out of it. Don't want to tarnish your image as our resident Oil Industry Peaker

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'Y')ou posted a reply that mentioned ROCKMAN's accounting for well expenditure. You did not explain how you can make the 2 statements that you did. ie NOBODY takes into account geological processes and prehistoric solar inputs and manufacturing a gallon of diesel takes much more energy than it contains.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'S')till no answer from JA to my very simple question.

[Quinny]

So you are saying that you believe there is more energy put into manufacturing a gallon of diesel than you get out of it!

Please confirm this is what you believe?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'Y')ou posted a reply that mentioned ROCKMAN's accounting for well expenditure. You did not explain how you can make the 2 statements that you did. ie NOBODY takes into account geological processes and prehistoric solar inputs and manufacturing a gallon of diesel takes much more energy than it contains.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'S')till no answer from JA to my very simple question.

[Quinny]

The question is neither, but a simple quest to identify the beliefs of a fellow poster so I might ascertain their true position

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Quinny,

A funny thing happened on the way to the grammarian's annual forum.

We discovered that the English language is full of imprecision and ambiguity.
(Indeed many of Shakespeare's plays are built on such ambiguity.)

You left out from your question the identity of the players involved in the act of "manufacturing" this gallon of diesel.

If the players on your stage are only human beings and no other forces of Nature than the answer is that of course, the gallon of diesel has far more potential energy than that which the human actors invested into possessing this gallon of magic elixir. (EROI >> 1).

On the other hand if your question includes all the energy that Mother Nature invested into the creation of this gallon of diesel, starting with the highly inefficient photosynthesis of prehistoric botany then the answer is the exact opposite, EROI approaches zero.

So which one is your question and what ultimate conclusion are you trying to drive to?