[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'l')oki wrote:
Political violence has been at a remarkably low level in the US in recent decades, but I have a feeling that may not be permanent.

[evilgenius]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'l')oki wrote:
Political violence has been at a remarkably low level in the US in recent decades, but I have a feeling that may not be permanent.

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd where does the fear come from? Say what you will, but now, as yesterday, we see it on the heels of a grand time, a time of great prosperity. Is it possible that the fuel necessary for the fear, the fear itself, grows from our lack of faith that the prosperity can endure, and our bedrock belief that we deserve it?

[Pik]

Newfie wrote; "Listen to the conversation between JFK and Hoover a couple of days after the assassination. "

Please explain to me how Hoover had a conversation with JFK a couple of days after he was assasinated.

My own thoughts on this are that there was only one conspiracy and that was when Oswald conspired with himself to kill the president.
I have heard it argued that because of the large hole in the back of his head and the way his head snapped backwards suggest that he was shot from the front.
I would contend that the back of his head was blown away from what is known as bullet cavitation and that his head snapped back in reaction to extreme trauma.

[Newfie]

Obviously a typo.....LBJ with Hoover.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', 'I')n what way do you think? I mean, in the sixties the greatest amount of violence was neither John Birch directed nor inspired. Mostly, it was brought about by those who saw themselves as the victims of conservative positions...

I think the rhetoric takes advantage of the fear, ostensibly to make a profit but in effect to warp the social climate around itself. Once the conspiracy mantra enters it can be hard to remove it in the best of times. When it enters during a time of fear, then it is doubly hard to get rid of it.

And where does the fear come from? Say what you will, but now, as yesterday, we see it on the heels of a grand time, a time of great prosperity.

[vision-master]

I cee TPTB are reinforcing the lie.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
Joseph Goebbels

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Oswald was a nut ...

[Pops]

Being a nut doesn't mean a persona is insane, just that he's a nut. I know that's pretty technical, LOL. I don't think the assassination could have been too well planned, he could only have learned of the visit by the POTUS a couple of days ahead of time and from every indication didn't even have an escape route planned, not any idea what to do once the deed was done, he simply wandered around the city until caught hiding in a movie theatre.

I obviously have no idea what his deal was but he strikes me as someone quite delusional. He heard the POTUS was going to drive by the building where he worked and voila, there it was, his chance to be immortal, fulfil his self image of - I don't know, whatever story he told himself.

Psychology Today
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evi ... ld-kennedy

Slate, events after the assassination,
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... oting.html

[Newfie]

VM, you beat me to it. Here is the one I had in mind.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')“It would not be impossible to prove with sufficient repetition and a psychological understanding of the people concerned that a square is in fact a circle. They are mere words, and words can be molded until they clothe ideas and disguise.”


― Joseph Goebbels

[Newfie]

Just to be clear on my position, least I come across as a nut....

I do think Oswald tried to assassinate Kennedy, he may even have fired the fatal bullet.

However, I also think there was more than one shooter and that in their effort to cover up the story the FBI et al made a mess.

If you change the question just a bit it can change your view.

Can we cock up a story were it is possible Oswald was the lone shooter? Yes.

What evidence do we have that would point to a coverup? Tons!

For example, How else does one explain the pristine bullet found on the gurney at the hospital?

Hoover started the fantasy early, "it rolled out of his head as they tried to do resuscitation." So, that was the exploding bullet huh? And it had markings from Oswald's gun. How convenient.

Whether they rescinded that story later or not is moot. They floated it then, it was a bald faced attempt at a lie. THAT point is proven. Why lie?

How does a magician do the trick? Misdirection.

[Pops]

I don't think "believing" one way or another make you a nut. However, believing that there is always a conspiracy, always hidden strings being pulled, always someone out to get you/us/me is the epitome of paranoia. It is just as much of a mistake to think that everything is a grand plot perpetrated by the forces of evil as to think nothing is.

I don't discount the possibility of a conspiracy, I just think the simple answer is more probable. Oswald was a deluded, paranoid, grandiose whacko who was in the right place at the right time (or wrong) and did exactly what the Columbine kids did or any mass killing shooter of recent times has done, he played out a fantasy of him changing the world.

In fact a good read is Stephen King's "11/22/63" about a time traveler who tries to stop Oswald. Anyone read that?

[Newfie]

Again, just so you understand where I'm coming from, I'm not a conspiracy aficionado. In fact, the JFK is just about the ONLY conspiracy I support. Well, maybe that and that the gas companies are conspiring against the fracking opponents.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'O')swald was a deluded, paranoid, grandiose whacko who was in the right place at the right time (or wrong) and did exactly what the Columbine kids did or any mass killing shooter of recent times has done, he played out a fantasy of him changing the world.

[Pops]

Plant, you keep saying he was a Marxist, does that have special meaning to you?

Why do I get the feeling you are going to tie this into Obama somehow? Did Oswald ever visit Hawaii? Kenya maybe?

LOL, dem Marxists, they're all the same.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'P')lant, you keep saying he was a Marxist

[Pops]

So what?

Does that preclude him being a nut? Or are you saying all Marxists are assassins?

Running around yelling 'Look at me, I'm a Marxist!' may not be the most effective way to bring off an assassination plot but it seems like a pretty good sign of delusional thinking.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I') don't think "believing" one way or another make you a nut. However, believing that there is always a conspiracy, always hidden strings being pulled, always someone out to get you/us/me is the epitome of paranoia. It is just as much of a mistake to think that everything is a grand plot perpetrated by the forces of evil as to think nothing is.

I don't discount the possibility of a conspiracy, I just think the simple answer is more probable. Oswald was a deluded, paranoid, grandiose whacko who was in the right place at the right time (or wrong) and did exactly what the Columbine kids did or any mass killing shooter of recent times has done, he played out a fantasy of him changing the world.

In fact a good read is Stephen King's "11/22/63" about a time traveler who tries to stop Oswald. Anyone read that?

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '[')i]It is suggested that President Kennedy might have been assassinated by The Federal Reserve, or the conglomerate banking systems that dominate both Europe and America.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '[')i]It is suggested that President Kennedy might have been assassinated by The Federal Reserve, or the conglomerate banking systems that dominate both Europe and America.