[Rune]

It's the Sun, stupid

That previous youtube link was bad. And the man's English isn't the best for a presentation. But he covered a few of the same topics that were covered much better in the book.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rune', '[')url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2161379/This-meaningless-green-drivel-environment-guru-Scientists-U-turn-doomsday-claim.html]MailOnline[/url]

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rune', 'A')nd I am half-way through another The Neglected Sun which is very good.

[rollin]

The level of energies involved in solar output variability are more than an order of magnitude smaller than the radiative changes due to increases in greenhouse gases in earth's atmosphere. The average change in solar output is near zero. Total peak to peak variation in solar output over the last forty years is less than 0.1%. Overall change is near zero.

What has changed is the amount of radiation reaching the surface, due to SOx and NOx pollution. Still this unintended geo-engineering is less than the effects of GHG.

[Rune]

I wish I could highlight and copy more The Neglected Sun for everyone here, but I have reached my 10% limit on Kindle highlights. And I can'lt copy from my computer, of course.

It's very, very good. It's the kind of book one could actually study for some time because there are so many references to published scientific papers.

The author will discuss the last 1,000 years, for example, discussing the solar maximums and solar minimums (multiple cycle lengths with different scientific names) and then correlate those cycles with evidence from papers measuring climate through ice core samples or ion ratio samples of sedimentary material - any of the wide variety of papers which have studied past climate, temperature or whatever. Hundreds of papers.

Then the author will examine the last 10,000 years, then the last 15,000 years, and then greater lengths of time and do the same thing - correlate them with measurements that have been obtained from a very large number of published papers.

The references are of high quality - journals like Nature or Geoscience Journals and the like.

The IPCC is mentioned throughout, their methods either corroborated or criticized. Weaknesses in the IPCC methods are exhibited in a straight-forward way.

There are plenty of charts and graphs.

I mean it when I say this book is a must-read for anyone interested in environment or global warming or cooling. You can really increase your knowledge with this book. I am very impressed with it.

The author fully addresses the common objection that the Sun only varies by 0.1% and is so constant that it can be ignored. Let me tell you - that objection is very well-handled and not only once, but throughout the book.

Easily, this could be one of the best books you will ever read as someone who is concerned about energy or environment or about policy or simply in being knowledgeable about Earth's climate. It's a fascinating subject. This book could allow someone to absorb themselves in the subject for quite a long time.

I'm not trying to win a debate or change anyone's mind. I am simply telling you all that this is one very, effing awesome piece of work. Every bit worth the $9 I paid for my Kindle version.

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rune', 'I') wish I could highlight and copy more The Neglected Sun for everyone here, but I have reached my 10% limit on Kindle highlights.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rune', 'T')he author fully addresses the common objection that the Sun only varies by 0.1% and is so constant that it can be ignored. Let me tell you - that objection is very well-handled and not only once, but throughout the book.

[Rune]

I'm telling ya, it's a great book. No wonder it was such a bestseller in Germany!

Look, I posted the full Preface and Chapter 1.

That should be good enough for you to get an idea. It's only $9 and worth every penny.

It cannot possibly be junk science because of all the very many references to published scientific papers which themselves identify cyclical patterns from sediment cores, diatom abundance, isotope ratios, etc.

The book first explains the already known and identified solar cycles and then correlates the shorter ones to the period we are now living in and correlates the longer ones to periods of longer time.

The authors did no make up the solar cycles they talk about; they did not perform the research themselves of the hundreds of papers they reference to make their case. They simply show the solar correlation or explain what parts of the picture are missing.

In the course of the explanation, they talk about the IPCC and what it has done when confronted with the same information.

This book is first-rate. It belongs on your bookshelf if you have any interest at all in Earth climate dynamics.

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rune', '
')It cannot possibly be junk science because of all the very many references to published scientific papers which themselves identify cyclical patterns from sediment cores, diatom abundance, isotope ratios, etc.

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rune', '
')This book is first-rate. It belongs on your bookshelf if you have any interest at all in Earth climate dynamics.

[Rune]

This book made a big splash in Europe.

To be completely honest, I already knew you guys were willfully ignorant before I posted anything about it. The doomers at PO.com always have been. That's why it's so much fun f****ng with them.

I'm sure we have not heard the last about solar cycles and the IPCC's claims about the benign and constant Sun.

...and, yes, the authors talk about Milankovitch Cycles. But buy a copy yourself. I can't be bothered to post any more than I already have for a bunch of totally willfull ignoramuses.

[Keith_McClary]

Reminds me of the time I asked a Christian fundie about his beliefs. He could not explain anything. He said I should go to Bible School or listen to the TV Preacher and all would be revealed.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rune', 'I')t cannot possibly be junk science because of all the very many references to published scientific papers

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rune', 'T')his book made a big splash in Europe.

[Rune]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rune', 'I')t cannot possibly be junk science because of all the very many references to published scientific papers

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rune', 'I') wish I could highlight and copy more The Neglected Sun for everyone here, but I have reached my 10% limit on Kindle highlights.

[Strummer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rune', 'A')nd this author, Vahrenholt, has been at the forefront of that embarkation since the late 70s. He is eminently qualified to write about the subject and make a clear case to his own countrymen.

[Rune]

It's only $9 and you can judge the book for yourself.

I posted the full Preface and Chapter 1 to give you a heads up.

the book raised all kinds of hackles throughtout Germany and then was later accepted by many. I am not surprised qt all that it was attacked, just like I am being attacked for aslerting readers of PO.com to it.

Helmut Kohl, for example. Groups in Britian, France, The Netherlands... Universities, etc. came around and have listened to Vahrenholt'ls message. It was a bestseller in Germany for 3 weeks. It got a lot of press both negative and positive - as one would expect.

If it were not so highly referenced and thorough, I would not promote it so much. But it so obviously is a worthwhile read (and study!).

Willfull ignorance gets you nowhere. For the cost of a cheap meal, you can learn a great deal from "The Neglected Sun". And even if you choose to go along with theIPCC, you will be armed with excellent information about what is now a meaningful rift and controversy in the GW arena.

this book just came out this month in English. Read some of the reviews at Amazon or elsewhere. I am sure this book will make an important impact. I shit you not.

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', '
')And you think you have the right to call others troll? Hypocrite.

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rune', ' ')I can't be bothered to post any more than I already have for a bunch of totally willfull ignoramuses.