[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n a brain, on the other hand, the physical substrate is itself charged with electric pulses. Thus, the physical object and the electricity are "one." The brain becomes aware because the physical substrate is itself "electrified."

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rune', 'M')ost certainly everyone will be wrong about it in one way or another because eventually machine intelligence will create its own evolutionary growth path - at first, mostly coming from human inputs but, increasingly, taking on design jobs for the NEXT generation of intelligent or near-intelligent machines.

and no one can tell where this evolution will lead.

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'A') 2 stroke lawnmower with a small degree of sentience

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'A') 2 stroke lawnmower with a small degree of sentience

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '
')Without language would we have self awareness?

[dinopello]

As a person in the AI biz, I have to say these things hold great promise and well-funded research is important to advance humanity's legacy.

[Rune]

There is a demonstrable progression of macghine intelligence. You don't have to define "intelligence" as self-awareness in the way human beings characterize themselves as self-aware.

If you can design a sophisticed system which uses algorithms to duplicate a previously only intellectualactivity, then that is machine intelligence - because it has the capacity to do things that previously onlty human beings could do.

Like self-driving cars - a present reality. They are not self-aware but they drive themselves around pretty damn impressively well. And one can easily see by looking at the progression (or evolution) of self-driving cars, that they will become even more capable and sophisticated and eventually will put a whole lot of people out of work.

Even by the 2020s or 2030s, self-driving cars will not be self-aware. Nevertheless, most probably you will be able to call one up by thinking a thought on your cell-phone implant, and it will take you where you want to go with a 99.999% probability of a safe trip.

There really is no rigorous philosophical definition of "self-aware". It is a subjective thing which we human beings feel about ourselves and others.

But people can easily be wrong about themselves in a variety of ways for a variety of reasons and have absolutely no clue that they are wrong or why. That is not exactly self-awareness. It's a fact of human existence.

[vision-master]

Terence McKenna - Reality is Made of Language

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rune', 'T')here is a demonstrable progression of macghine intelligence. You don't have to define "intelligence" as self-awareness in the way human beings characterize themselves as self-aware.

[vision-master]

Machine Intelligence still relies on 0's and 1's.

[Rune]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'M')achine Intelligence still relies on 0's and 1's.

[evilgenius]

I think it's been known for some time that AI was not going to have success mimicking the human brain. Scientists, like Marvin Minsky, tried that for years and came away realizing that they would have more success just trying to get the same results that human intelligence produced rather than trying to make computers that think like people.

What is really going on here is a failure to admit the old Socratic saw: the more we know only makes us realize how much we don't know. We humans tend to rather arrogantly stride about attempting to implement our learned knowledge while only really having an outline of what is going on. Our physics knows so much, but it still can't say what energy is. If it could it would be well on the way to reconciling general relativity and gravity. We think we are self-aware, that is we think we know who we are, so we launch an attempt to mimic that model computationally. Of course, we failed.

I am taken aback by the machine learning example and its similarity to what humans actually do, learn by example. We spend the first so many years taking things in, while our brains develop in relation to that stimuli. During our early years we pattern ourselves after our parents, to an extent. A lot of that patterning may be according to Jungian archetypes. Very soon we discover our peers and a process of trying to discover a norm sets in. Most of us are slaves to this norm.

You can go on and on about free will, but its essence is determined in the propensity, by degree or outright, for the thought constructs we develop to go against our own self-interest as explicitly determined. Morality does not further one's self, except insofar as it latches onto the probability that the wisdom behind the morality may increase our chances for survival. Most people cheat on morality where they can and it doesn't compromise the wisdom behind the morality. Free will doesn't cheat. So far no one has mentioned machine thinking that can, or will ever, do that.

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rune', 'E')ven by the 2020s or 2030s, self-driving cars will not be self-aware. Nevertheless, most probably you will be able to call one up by thinking a thought on your cell-phone implant,

[Rune]

Well, then don't get an implant. And don't ride in a driverless car.

For example, I never get my fingernails done, even though I could if I wanted to. And most certainly, there will be some automated way to get your fingernails done while being entertained somehow.

The pretty little Vietnamese girl who does them now? One day, my friend...one day...

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '1')0 print "I am aware"
20 goto 10
run
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') am aware
I am aware
I am aware
I am aware
I am aware
I am aware
. . .

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'L')OL Consider lawn-mowing: you sit back, Mai-tai in hand, admiring your brand new Small-Degree-of-Sentience X-1000 (tm) Craftsman Mower.

[vision-master]

Just hire one of these guy's.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'J')ust hire one of these guy's.

[Loki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'T')he machine could easily know every human language word for "apple"; and still fail at knowing one apple vs one pear.

[MD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I')mpossible Loki. I worked a potato harvester on the picking table. I rather doubt a machine could distinguish and sort a dusty potato from dusty stone. And remove it in the same split second.