[KaiserJeep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'K')aiser how do you expect to lift your machinery to Biosphere 3? Detail please. And when you arrive there, describe the hardware that will replenish O2, cleanse the soil, waters, and atmosphere to sustain your life? Or do you expect to live on candy bars?

You have neither explored nor countered the science that underlies Lovelocks' and Nasa's strategies for extraterrestrial research. Not surprising as you clearly stated science is garbage.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', '
')
The Earth is one planet occupied by many tribes. The Americans are the most successful large tribe. The other tribes are emulating us which is not a bad plan.

But nobody but the tribe as a whole decides what system we will use. Railing against Capitalism is as productive as complaining that humans only have two legs. We many evolve out of the present state but it won't happen quickly. Capitalism has been enormously after all.

[SeaGypsy]

KJ "Thousands of years for Earth to DIE"

I call total BS on that one. Earth will live for billions more years. With or without our progeny. There are critters adapted and adapting to virtually every natural environment and there will continue to be. None of us will live long enough to know if 'Space Man' will outlive 'Earth Man', so we can all argue 'til we are blue in the face on that point. My bet is not. Well and truly nowhere near it. The most resilient humans are the most adaptable to changing Earth, not to some yet to be built barely conceived space craft. Much sooner than this comes to fruition we could adapt to living as permanent sea gypsy tribal flotillas scavenging post collapse detritus and trading with our landlocked cousins doing something similar.

There are so many possibilities, almost endless. Let's keep trying the best of these and get rid of the worst. Space exploration has to rate as one of our best accomplishments, along with permaculture, closed loop agriculture, high tech communications, the bicycle with electric assistance, mosern medicine, contraception,- etc. War and it's machinations are our worst, our lowest. Which gets most attention, funding, focus in all manner of ways? Whilst this is the case, we need to sort ourselves out big time, rather than avoiding the fact.

[sparky]

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On the creation of sealed , self sustaining biospheres
there was one serious attempt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2

What is interesting is not that they failed , that was to be expected ,
it's the lessons learned ,
the first one being a complete misunderstanding of soil as an active agent .
the second , strangely , is a stabilization at a lower level
obviously , attempts should proceed ,
even if only in an ecological experiment

[Beery1]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'S')aying someone is crazy is mildly insulting and should be avoided, by the same token using outright slurs or curse words should also be avoided.

[KaiserJeep]

SeaGypsy, I meant that when humans can no longer live here, I considered it dead. It has no further interest. Now I see people arguing that when the diversity is gone, so are we. Then you seem to be saying that we will adapt even when most species will not.

OK, lets all agree that none of us know.

That still means each of us will continue to propose that alternative we each feel has the greatest chance of success.

[KaiserJeep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Beery1', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'S')aying someone is crazy is mildly insulting and should be avoided, by the same token using outright slurs or curse words should also be avoided.

[SeaGypsy]

Lol, reminds me of my wife's tendency to mix up gender prefixes, Tanada is a herself. She is also a long way from the polarities she chose to begin this thread- which has so far been a good hit for reads and responses.

Hey KJ let's agree to hate war and love contraception? Then you can remind me of my dad and I might remind you of your youth. Don't worry too much about Beery, he is learning about polarity as a basis for discussion rather than a basis in fact.

[Beery1]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Beery1', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'Y')es, but Tanada called HIMSELF a Luddite. It was not an insult as he did it, only a convenience...

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Beery1', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Beery1', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'Y')es, but Tanada called HIMSELF a Luddite. It was not an insult as he did it, only a convenience...

[KaiserJeep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'I') have no need to understand what the details are, and neither do you. We have begun to explore space in my lifetime, the process will continue in spite of anyone's - or everyone's - opinions about how practical it is.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t just so happens there are no great men and women on the Earth today. There is no one to follow, no leadership to be had. The rest of us will have to muddle through, by doing the right things.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'u')nbelievable. both of you.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'G')otta agree with Mckenna on this. Humboldt exemplifies a cannabis-saturated society in America with more grow shops than hardware stores. Humboldt moves at a slow pace at it's surface. As the recognition of the benign aspects of the plant ascends, we should see more Humboldts.

We need to stop striving, consuming, competing with each other and nations. Let the machines feed us. Time to share our lives. And music.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'L')ol, reminds me of my wife's tendency to mix up gender prefixes, Tanada is a herself. She is also a long way from the polarities she chose to begin this thread- which has so far been a good hit for reads and responses.

Hey KJ let's agree to hate war and love contraception? Then you can remind me of my dad and I might remind you of your youth. Don't worry too much about Beery, he is learning about polarity as a basis for discussion rather than a basis in fact.

[SeaGypsy]

That's totally ok with me Vinessa

Hey Pstar, I'm around the Ozquivalent here these days except the retards in government are busy making more plants illegal not less. Pot has been decriminalized for small amounts for more than a decade so it's relaxed on that score, but we still get the chopper raids every harvest season and all that nonsense. I spent about 15 years around here in my younger days, so I'm kind of a local, kind of not. I'm finding the stoners pretty boring to be honest. I don't think these people have more than the average ability for independent thought- abysmally low. We all here know about sheeple and black sheep. Here I'm finding the black sheep are just another 'style' of sheeple mostly. Pretty disappointing, reminds why I left 15 years ago and probably will again soon.