[Fishman]

They seem to flunk it in Obamacare also. The rollout has been so bad healthy folks are not signing up. Only the sick are persisting through the quagmire. This will lead to a death spiral, only sick folks signing up makes insurance companies lose money, they raise the premiums next year and make things worst. If the Dems had actually folded on a year delay rollout in the individual mandate it would have actually been much better for then. And every conservative will be telling folks "we told you so"

[SeaGypsy]

One doesn't have to be a Republican or a Democrat to see the sense in the Australian model- which has universal and bipartisan support and costs most Aussies 1.5% of gross income. Nearly half still choose to have some private cover. It works, you Americans should try it sometime.

[Subjectivist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'O')ne doesn't have to be a Republican or a Democrat to see the sense in the Australian model- which has universal and bipartisan support and costs most Aussies 1.5% of gross income. Nearly half still choose to have some private cover. It works, you Americans should try it sometime.

[Fishman]

But Sea, Obamacare is NOTHING like the Australian system. Its now 44,000 pages of regulations, twists and turns, power engulfing, job killing, tort lawyers wet dream, technological disaster. With the rollout designed by the very folks the Canadians tossed out. The venders and insurance companies warned the government the rollout would not work. But hubris, yes hubris rolled it out.

[SeaGypsy]

Yes Fish and Subjectivist, so I believe is the case.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', '[')u]They seem to flunk it in Obamacare also. The rollout has been so bad healthy folks are not signing up. Only the sick are persisting through the quagmire. This will lead to a death spiral, only sick folks signing up makes insurance companies lose money, they raise the premiums next year and make things worst. If the Dems had actually folded on a year delay rollout in the individual mandate it would have actually been much better for then. And every conservative will be telling folks "we told you so"

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'B')ut Sea, Obamacare is NOTHING like the Australian system. Its now 44,000 pages of regulations, twists and turns, power engulfing, job killing, tort lawyers wet dream, technological disaster. With the rollout designed by the very folks the Canadians tossed out. The venders and insurance companies warned the government the rollout would not work. But hubris, yes hubris rolled it out.

[ROCKMAN]

V - Sorry for the late response. "Daniel Yergin: Why OPEC No Longer Calls the Shots. The oil embargo 40 years ago spurred an energy revolution." The oil embargo, which only temporarily reduced US oil supplies by 8%, lead to higher oil prices which lead to a global recession which drove oil prices down to $12/bbl, greatly decreased drilling incentives and motivated a lack of concern about conservation. As far as OPEC calling not calling the shots: 10 years ago the world was transferring about $300 billion per year to OPEC for oil. Today that amount has increased to around $1 trillion per year. Thank goodness OPEC isn't "calling the shots"... think how much more we would be paying if we weren't in control.

Viva la revolution! LOL.

[Fishman]

Obamacare is not Romneycare.
Vision, always enjoy your lack of insight. Hawaii, supposedly the best prepared had to close theirs down for a period. In every state they need roughly at least a third of folks to be perfectly healthy to finance the others. Not happening, hopefully won't happen.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'O')bamacare is not Romneycare.
Vision, always enjoy your lack of insight. Hawaii, supposedly the best prepared had to close theirs down for a period. In every state they need roughly at least a third of folks to be perfectly healthy to finance the others. Not happening, hopefully won't happen.

[Fishman]

Wow, thanks Vision, so glad my state decided not to waste our money on the ACA. Now Consumer Report recommends you avoid Healthcare gov for at least a month its such a disaster.

[Fishman]

Ah p stink, your lack of historical knowledge is as expected. NC tried so very hard to avoid the Democrat led Confederacy. It took a Republican to free the slaves.
And now, Dem Senators are bailing as the Obama Titanic.gov takes on more water. I laugh every time a libs goes "its the law, the supreme court upheld it." It shows such an ignorance of even the basics of legislature. The supreme court said its legal and its a tax. So, only 51 Senators have to vote against it then its no longer a tax or the law. It would be 2/3 majority but as the Unaffordable Care Act passed as a finance bill alone, all it takes is 51 (and 51 overrides a veto for such a bill). Even a delay by 51 puts it in more diress. Econ 101, Political Science 101

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'A')h p stink, your lack of historical knowledge is as expected. NC tried so very hard to avoid the Democrat led Confederacy. It took a Republican to free the slaves.
And now, Dem Senators are bailing as the Obama Titanic.gov takes on more water. I laugh every time a libs goes "its the law, the supreme court upheld it." It shows such an ignorance of even the basics of legislature. The supreme court said its legal and its a tax. So, only 51 Senators have to vote against it then its no longer a tax or the law. It would be 2/3 majority but as the Unaffordable Care Act passed as a finance bill alone, all it takes is 51 (and 51 overrides a veto for such a bill). Even a delay by 51 puts it in more diress. Econ 101, Political Science 101

[Threepwood]

I think a fair test to pass before being able to run for president, would be to compete with an average 7 yr old girl operating a lemonade stand.

Unless she hired unionized workers operating wind powered lemon squeezers and required online registration before quoting a price.. we'd have ended up with a more economically savvy leader

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Threepwood', 'I') think a fair test to pass before being able to run for president, would be to compete with an average 7 yr old girl operating a lemonade stand.

Unless she hired unionized workers operating wind powered lemon squeezers and required online registration before quoting a price.. we'd have ended up with a more economically savvy leader

[ROCKMAN]

"Great, repeal Obamacare and then do what with all the uninsured?" Easy...let them buy their own insurance just like the 85% of the American people do now. And if they can't afford it let the govt help subsidize it for them like they help them in other areas such as food stamps, etc. Why involve every American citizen in restructuring their health insurance dynamic to help a small minority? The govt should provide assistance for those who need it and leave the rest of us alone IMHO.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', '&')quot;Great, repeal Obamacare and then do what with all the uninsured?" Easy...let them buy their own insurance just like the 85% of the American people do now. And if they can't afford it let the govt help subsidize it for them like they help them in other areas such as food stamps, etc. Why involve every American citizen in restructuring their health insurance dynamic to help a small minority? The govt should provide assistance for those who need it and leave the rest of us alone IMHO.