[vision-master]

The software glitches are mainly occurring in the federal government ACA website---healthcare.gov-----not in the state-run web sites. The Rs and state governors had absolutely nothing to do with the healthcare.gov website. Blaming the Rs for glitches in a website that was designed and is now administered entirely by Obama appointees doesn't make any sense.


1st off P, those States had the option to form their own healthcare exchanges - they refused to do so.

Why????

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', ' ') If all you got to complain about, till the first of the year, is the software wasn't up and running the first few weeks you have a pretty lame argument.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')
Nothing to show for it. Nada. Unconditional surrender.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'C')owards caved. What bugs me though, is why pick the fight if you aren't willing to go to the mat? And since they've proved they won't go to the mat, why not just extend the debt limit to $100 trillion, write a 3 yr CR, and go home and go fishing.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')IMHO the Rs didn't do too badly getting a permanent tax cut and permanent tightening of the Obamacare verification process in exchange for a temporary 3 month long funding bill for the government.

[Plantagenet]

I'm just happy the ordeal is over.

The Rs got a tax cut and the Ds got the debt limit raised so they can borrow more money. They both got something out of it.

Looks like a "win-win" on the fiscal side. Mr. Market sure seems happy---up 200 points today.

On the political side it appears the Rs damaged their brand by refusing to vote on the D bill to reopen the government, but you can also argue the Ds damaged their brand by refusing to vote on the R bills to reopen the government. And Os poll numbers fell every time he boasted about his refusal to negotiate.

The political side was probably a "lose-lose" with a slight edge going to the Ds.

Will this orchestrated circus win the house for the Ds? Maybe. Or maybe not. Time will tell.

[Lore]

According to the polls, people seem to be getting pretty sick and tired of the malcontents.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'A')ctually, the bill coming from the Senate requires strengthening the Obamacare verification process to cut down on fraud, and also include a tax cut for insurers who offer those "gold-plated" insurance plans to union members and individuals who are in private insurance plans instead of Obamacare.

IMHO the Rs didn't do too badly getting a permanent tax cut and permanent tightening of the Obamacare verification process in exchange for a temporary 3 month long funding bill for the government.

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'C')owards caved. What bugs me though, is why pick the fight if you aren't willing to go to the mat?

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I')MHO the Rs didn't do too badly getting a permanent tax cut and permanent tightening of the Obamacare verification process in exchange for a temporary 3 month long funding bill for the government.

[Plantagenet]

It wasn't a cut in the medical device tax, 6.

It was the tax on "gold plated" healthcare plans. Thats being axed.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')
Was that really worth damaging the US .... China ready to frickin' DUMP US BONDS onto the markets (the nuke option). Chase instituting capital controls. Cancer patients went without their chemotherapy. Alaskan crab fishing season ruined. And a million other things..

[Sixstrings]

Hey Plant, R's got something for the shutdown, but it wasn't deficit-cutting:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')img]http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/wfpl/files/styles/card_280/public/McConnell1-300x225.jpg[/img]

McConnell-Reid Deal Includes $3 Billion Earmark for Kentucky Project

A proposal to end the government shutdown and avoid default orchestrated by Republican Leader Mitch McConnell and Democratic Leader Harry Reid includes a nearly $3 billion earmark for a Kentucky project.

Language in a draft of the McConnell-Reid deal (see page 13, section 123) provided to WFPL News shows a provision that increases funding for the massive Olmsted Dam Lock in Paducah, Ky., from $775 million to nearly $2.9 billion.
http://wfpl.org/post/mcconnell-reid-deal-includes-3-billion-earmark-kentucky-project

[NickyBoy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')
Was that really worth damaging the US .... China ready to frickin' DUMP US BONDS onto the markets (the nuke option). Chase instituting capital controls. Cancer patients went without their chemotherapy. Alaskan crab fishing season ruined. And a million other things..

[Pops]

I thought this was a good recap from John Cassidy (links in original story here)
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1'). President Obama won. For once, he held firm, and it worked.

2. The G.O.P. lost, and so did the Tea Party. Both saw their approval ratings fall to record lows.

3. It was a big waste of time.

4. The United States was also a loser. Its reputation in the eyes of the world was further damaged. U.S. “soft power” took another blow.

5. Republicans need remedial lessons in game theory. If you aren’t willing to go over the cliff, and your opponent knows that, there’s no point in engaging in brinkmanship.

6. Ted Cruz is a charlatan. He pushed for a government shutdown and then joined a protest by veterans and Tea Party members against the closure of national monuments.

7. If anyone has a justification for smoking, it’s John Boehner. Really, wouldn’t you want a Camel Ultra Light if you had his job?

8. The two-and-a-half-week government shutdown probably reduced quarterly G.D.P. growth by about 0.3 per cent. But much of that loss will be made up when the government re-opens.

9. Warren Buffett came up with the best quote of the crisis: “Creditworthiness is like virginity. It can be preserved but not restored very easily.”

10. We get to do it all again in January and February. But next time, we’ll all be aware in advance that the G.O.P.’s threats to force a debt default are empty.

[vision-master]

So? In order to repeal Obamacare, the (R)'s will have to win the presidency and control both the House and Senate come 2017?

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'H')ey Plant, R's got something for the shutdown, but it wasn't deficit-cutting:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')img]http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/wfpl/files/styles/card_280/public/McConnell1-300x225.jpg[/img]

McConnell-Reid Deal Includes $3 Billion Earmark for Kentucky Project

A proposal to end the government shutdown and avoid default orchestrated by Republican Leader Mitch McConnell and Democratic Leader Harry Reid includes a nearly $3 billion earmark for a Kentucky project.

Language in a draft of the McConnell-Reid deal (see page 13, section 123) provided to WFPL News shows a provision that increases funding for the massive Olmsted Dam Lock in Paducah, Ky., from $775 million to nearly $2.9 billion.
http://wfpl.org/post/mcconnell-reid-deal-includes-3-billion-earmark-kentucky-project

[PrestonSturges]

I think the economic numbers will show a lot more damage to the economy than current estimates. My sales orders went way down but at least I made back a half dozen orders by this morning. But lumpiness in supply and demand like that also brings a lot of lost sales. Many businesses would have delayed ordering materials.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'I') think the economic numbers will show a lot more damage to the economy than current estimates.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '
')
According to the link, this is a pet project for Mitch McConnell. So getting the budget deal passed required a big fat GOP earmark.