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Unread postby smiley » Mon 13 Jun 2005, 18:16:14

I've been watching the Jackson case unwind and I have to say that I'm quite amazed by the outcome. I didn't expect him to be found guilty on all counts.

But even in our ultra-liberal country showing hardcore ponography to a minor would be a punishable offence especially when you admit that you sleep with him in the same bed. These two facts have been proven beyond doubt.

This is not the first high profile case which left me wondering like that. Flipping along the news channels I seem to be not the only one.

Do you have any idea why or how this jury came to this descision?
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Re: Not guilty?

Unread postby dhickerson » Mon 13 Jun 2005, 18:36:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', 'D')o you have any idea why or how this jury came to this descision?

Not too sure myself on that one buddy.

I don't know what evidence was or wasn't there for them, but I know if I had been on that jury it would have been hung. No way I would have let him walk without at least sticking to my guns on the fact that I think he's guilty, if not of this, of other atrocities.

Grown men do NOT sleep in beds with other people's children. That by itself should be a crime.
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Re: Not guilty?

Unread postby 0mar » Mon 13 Jun 2005, 18:44:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dhickerson', 'G')rown men do NOT sleep in beds with other people's children. That by itself should be a crime.


Not in this culture, but it is common elsewhere.
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Re: Not guilty?

Unread postby dhickerson » Mon 13 Jun 2005, 18:48:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('0mar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dhickerson', 'G')rown men do NOT sleep in beds with other people's children. That by itself should be a crime.

Not in this culture, but it is common elsewhere.

Care to share with me some cultures that consider it common place to sleep with other people's children without their parents present? Not trying to be argumentative, but I've never heard of cosleeping in that manner being common anywhere and would like to educate myself.
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Unread postby crude_intentions » Mon 13 Jun 2005, 18:50:55

I just watched the Interview with the Jury. The Mother pissed them off ALOT, thats the biggest reason why they lost this case.
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Re: Not guilty?

Unread postby Daculling » Mon 13 Jun 2005, 21:04:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dhickerson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('0mar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dhickerson', 'G')rown men do NOT sleep in beds with other people's children. That by itself should be a crime.

Not in this culture, but it is common elsewhere.

Care to share with me some cultures that consider it common place to sleep with other people's children without their parents present? Not trying to be argumentative, but I've never heard of cosleeping in that manner being common anywhere and would like to educate myself.


Does not matter, we judge by our culture and this is absolutly not accepable. The reason he walked? Remember OJ? The jury likely thought blood would be spilled if they convicted. I heard that some of the jury were crying when the verdict was read, why? Because they knew they were sending a pedifile back to the street and that he would offend again.
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Unread postby crude_intentions » Tue 14 Jun 2005, 00:25:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')oes not matter, we judge by our culture and this is absolutly not accepable. The reason he walked? Remember OJ? The jury likely thought blood would be spilled if they convicted. I heard that some of the jury were crying when the verdict was read, why? Because they knew they were sending a pedifile back to the street and that he would offend again.


No the Reason he walked is because Sneddon brought a Weakass Case to court, and the Defense punched cannonball sized holes in it. This is'nt the Jury's fault, they did their Job, it was Sneddons job to convince them BEYOND a reasonable doubt, a job which he Failed, If anyones at fault for MJ walking its Sneddon. If I had my way Sneddon would be told to clean out his desk and find another job, because to lose this case he must suck pretty bad as prosecutor As to why the Jury was crying, they spent 6+ Months of thier lives on this Trial, can you blame them for getting a little emotional now that its over?
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Unread postby duke3522 » Tue 14 Jun 2005, 01:37:22

The US is bogged down in Iraq. Oil is approaching $60. A mysterious group in the Caribbean is buying up US T-Bills. We have a housing bubble getting ready to burst. Two of the US’s great manufacturing companies are on the verge of bankruptcy. Etc. etc.

And this nonsense is what everyone is concerned about? Does this bother anyone but me? :?

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Re: Not guilty?

Unread postby JohnDenver » Tue 14 Jun 2005, 01:57:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', 'I')'ve been watching the Jackson case unwind and I have to say that I'm quite amazed by the outcome. I didn't expect him to be found guilty on all counts.


I hope this isn't an indicator of your general forecasting abilities. Your hunches about peak oil might be wrong too. :-D
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Unread postby dhickerson » Tue 14 Jun 2005, 02:03:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('duke3522', 'A')nd this nonsense is what everyone is concerned about? Does this bother anyone but me? :?

Nope. Aparently not.
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Unread postby k_semler » Tue 14 Jun 2005, 02:53:01

Just going by the news I heard on the radio, I personally could not convict him of anything. The reason can be found in these four words: "Beyond a reasonable doubt". Do I think he did it? Yes. Is there an an element of reasonable doubt regarding the alleged crimes that took place? Yes, the witnesses and the plaintiff were of questionable status regarding their honesty to say the least. If I were on a jury, I personally could not convict given the evidence presented over the radio.
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Unread postby smiley » Tue 14 Jun 2005, 13:06:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')s there an an element of reasonable doubt regarding the alleged crimes that took place? Yes, the witnesses and the plaintiff were of questionable status regarding their honesty to say the least. If I were on a jury, I personally could not convict given the evidence presented over the radio.


I have to admit that I don't know too much about the US judicial system, but I can say what would happen here. If he were to be acquitted here the argument of the judge would probably be something like this.

"Mr Jackson, the court clears you of the allegations as defined by the prosecutors. However during the trial several points have arisen (sleeping with children, showing them porn) which makes the court wonder about your ability to be around children, especially considering your role as host at the Neverland mansion. The court therefore orders you to stop these activities.....bla bla bla... You are not allowed to have contact with children without a third party present... bla bla bla.. the court will provide counseling and you are obliged to cooperate for the next x years"

Wouldn't something like this be more just and why is that not possible. Here you have a forty year old sharing the sheets with a child and reading him Hustler instead of Cinderella. And this guy is receiving his next bus-load of children at his mansion next week!!

I can understand that you need to be absolutely certain before you can justify sending someone for the rest of his life, but to let him off the hook completely. Why is it 18+ years or nothing. Can't there be anything in between?
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Unread postby stu » Tue 14 Jun 2005, 13:13:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('duke3522', 'T')he US is bogged down in Iraq. Oil is approaching $60. A mysterious group in the Caribbean is buying up US T-Bills. We have a housing bubble getting ready to burst. Two of the US’s great manufacturing companies are on the verge of bankruptcy. Etc. etc.

And this nonsense is what everyone is concerned about? Does this bother anyone but me? :?

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C'mon.

You don't think that we just spend our time talking about TEOTWAKI stories.

It's good to talk about celeb news every now and then to lighten the PO gloom.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 14 Jun 2005, 13:24:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('stu', '
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C'mon.

You don't think that we just spend our time talking about TEOTWAKI stories.

It's good to talk about celeb news every now and then to lighten the PO gloom.
I agree with you, stu. I liked the chocolate cow thread, too. The doom and gloom stuff is like finding out you have cancer and will die in the not-too-distant future.
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Unread postby duke3522 » Tue 14 Jun 2005, 13:44:16

Large and complex societies need entertainment to help deal with the fast paced lifestyle of modern society. But when the line between what is entertainment and what is important becomes blurred we have a problem.
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Unread postby RiverRat » Tue 14 Jun 2005, 15:00:13

Who cares either way?

The man is insane and has long been corrupted by fame and fortune.

What I find most disturbing about this whole fiasco is the ‘jock-sniffing’ mentality of the US.

I spit in the face of the clowns that put their lives on hold to partake in the media circus that surrounds events like these. I pity the fools that worship retards like this man. Heck … I’m skeptical of any individual that idolizes any of their peers and lives vicariously thru them (ie … athletes, politicians, actors, etc).

Live your own life … do your own thing …
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