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Postby oowolf » Fri 10 Jun 2005, 16:22:00

I have the Harris/Pollock movie on vhs. It's great. Pollock was a drunken asshole who knew that the NY art scene was all BS. Now his work has only status symbol value for pathetic, ultra wealthy fools who have more imitation money than they know what to do with. Its Ancient Rome all over again.
I prefer classical Roman art and even have some REAL Roman cameo glass, the rarest glass on earth (bought on ebay for next to nothing AND imported WITHOUT a federal antiquities license). Also like Bosch and Bruegel. Also R. Crumb, who I personally correspond with thru the record-collector scene. I actually have some of his work (I have the title page art for the "Complete Fritz the Cat" book, f'rinstance). Kunstler likes Crumb also, and I really enjoy Kunstler.
I also have the earliest known piece of signed Polia Pillin pottery(A leading modern-era ceramicist who came out of the NY art scene of the 1940's), done while she was at Hull House in 1947.
I'm not just another hillbilly; enough name-dropping for now.
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Postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 10 Jun 2005, 16:26:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oowolf', '
')I'm not just another hillbilly; enough name-dropping for now.
:lol: Yeah, buddy, R. Crumb is the best!
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Postby oowolf » Sat 11 Jun 2005, 15:31:41

The gemma Augustea, my favorite piece o' art:
http://www.khm.at/system2E.html?/staticE/page757.html
a very close second, the "Portland vase"--the most valuable glass object in the world:
http://www.thebritishmuseum.ac.uk/scien ... and-p1.htm
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Postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 12 Jun 2005, 00:55:51

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Those Ancient World works of art and indeed the European art of the pre-bourgeoisie and pre-industrial era had real style. Human style that is totally lacking in this world built on rational priciples (which ironically turns out to be highly irrational in the long run!)
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Postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 13 Jun 2005, 00:52:49

The Jewess, Judith, decapitating the Assyrian Holofernes. Other bloody renditions of this theme have been painted. The point, to me. is how a beautifully arranged paintings can deal with such brutal subjects. Interesting themes the Ancient Jews left for us to ponder. Female sexual appeal is used to carry out ugly deeds, warranted or not.
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Postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 13 Jun 2005, 01:09:03

The Ancient Jews were faced with Babylonians, Assyrians, Greeks, and then Romans who finally had enough of their effrontery in the face of worldly power. They were smashed and spread across the world to wander without a home. A very Romantic Tale. Arrogant shmucks like 'bigg' miss the point.
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Postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 13 Jun 2005, 01:17:11

Though in all fairness, those Jews in the Roman era probably wanted nothing more than to live out their lives in peace. They were trapped by a wicked Roman governor who used his wickedness to lead the more volitile elements of the Jewish population into a suicidal revolution in order to conceal his crimes from the Roman powers. We can learn a lot from history if we know of it.
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Postby Hawkcreek » Mon 13 Jun 2005, 01:17:42

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"It don't make no sense that common sense don't make no sense no more"
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Postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 13 Jun 2005, 01:28:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hawkcreek', 'I') can kinda see both sides on this one. If you have something ugly and have someone with the skill and vision to make it beautiful, it is great. But it would probably be better to have the real thing.
But when the whole world culture shoves "cheaper is the only thing that counts" down your throat, it is more difficult to produce beautiful buildings. If beauty or personal satisfaction were important, do you think people would be spending their lives stuck in grey cubicles?

The little guy loses another one.
I have long since concluded that the situation is hopeless, Hawkcreek. Now if someone would just push back the clock for me. . .
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Postby Hawkcreek » Mon 13 Jun 2005, 01:40:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') have long since concluded that the situation is hopeless, Hawkcreek. Now if someone would just push back the clock for me. . .

As one of my hero's once said when his Marines were surrounded by bazillions of Chinese, "We've got the bastards right where we want them - we can shoot in any direction we want!" (or words to that effect)
It isn't hopeless. We may be surrounded, but someday we will receive the push we need to start shooting. And then the bastards won't stand a chance.
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Postby Macsporan » Mon 13 Jun 2005, 03:47:02

The Art Link is dead. :(
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Postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 13 Jun 2005, 22:30:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Macsporan', 'T')he Art Link is dead. :(
What do you mean by this? Art is dead or this thread is dead? My first impression on reading this was that you were saying this thread was dead. Presumably because of the discussion of the historical associations surrounding the story of Judith and the Jews. European Art History is perhaps the most fertile ground for speculations on meanings and history there is. One could talk and think about this issue for a long long time. The paintings of Judith beheading Holofernes are so rich in associations which could lead in many different directions. That's what great art does. Nowadays we don't have this in our art.
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Postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 13 Jun 2005, 22:49:48

This painting was written about in the LA Times today. It was exhibited 75 years ago, painted by Grant Wood. The 'farmer' was really his dentist. The 'farmer's wife' was really his sister, who posed for her brother. The inspiration was when Grant saw this neo-Gothic house and thought it pretentious and funny.Its a wry, humorous picture in case anybody was unaware of that. Need proof? look at the farmers overalls - there is a mirror of the pitchfork there. A deliberate reference to Grant Wood's heroes, the late medieval painters Van Eyck and Hans Memling.
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Postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 13 Jun 2005, 23:32:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', ' ')Arrogant shmucks like 'bigg' miss the point.
I stand by this quote. Anyone who would brag about their RV's and bigger hp cars and going to bloody fights in Las Vegas knowing full well the mortal danger we face is an arrogant schmuck. That's putting it mildly.
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Postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 14 Jun 2005, 00:03:06

By the way, Grant's sister was no uptight 'dead' protestant. Look at the curl of hair running down her shoulder. Subtle, but it gets the point across: they were a lively family dealing with American reality in 1930. The move away from farm life had been underway for a long time when the Great Depression hit. Farm life was considered old-fashioned at that time.
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Postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 14 Jun 2005, 14:23:30

Here's di Vinci's 'edgy' painting

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Postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 14 Jun 2005, 14:27:41

Caravaggio's Medusa (sorta reminds me of Hillary)

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Postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 14 Jun 2005, 14:33:18

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Postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 14 Jun 2005, 14:41:29

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Postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 14 Jun 2005, 14:55:37

Vincent Van Gogh was a visionary who transcended his pain by creating beauty. He managed, for a while, to overcome his deformity and merge with the cosmic

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