[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Arthur75', 'Y')ou forget a little thing, you are not Rock and what you said has nothing to do with his point, basically, or what he calls the POD.

Seems to me you don't understand what these graphs represent.

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Arthur75', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newbie Wants Info', '
')
Thus, I do not want peak oil to happen, and there is no way that anyone other than a genocidal maniac could want peak oil to happen, unless they have information that I don't.

[C8]

OP here- I guess my question could be rephrased: do you think the benefits of PO will outweigh the costs?

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('C8', 'O')P here- I guess my question could be rephrased: do you think the benefits of PO will outweigh the costs?

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('C8', 'O')P here- I guess my question could be rephrased: do you think the benefits of PO will outweigh the costs?

[Newfie]

Not my thoughts, but thoughts of someone influential to the debate...

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1475061 ... ting&ifp=0

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ay 29th in what is set to become a defining moment in the history of capitalism; Rex Tillerson, the CEO of the world's most valuable company, Exxon Mobil (XOM), in an address to shareholders redefined the meaning of rational self interest for the markets everywhere in a short series of astonishing quotes:

"What good is it to save the planet if humanity suffers?"

"We do not see a viable pathway with any known technology today to achieve the 350 outcome that is not devastating to economies, societies and peoples' health and well-being around the world,"

"So the real question is, do you want to keep arguing about that and pursuing something that cannot be achieved at costs that will be detrimental? Or do you want to talk about what's the path we should be on and how do we mitigate and prepare for the consequences as they present themselves?"

[ROCKMAN]

Newfie – An amazing statement I had not seen before. The unfortunate truth in the statement seems obvious to me and others but I’m very surprised to see him offer it in such a public manner. Perhaps ExxonMobil sees the coming crisis developing even faster and deeper than many here. Thus he’s trying to set the baseline of the future discussions: either you’re for maintaining BAU regardless of the environment impact or you against the economic stability of our society. I would imagine that as the pinch on Americans gets worse his pitch will resonate more strongly with many who might be on the fence today.

[Beery1]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('agramante', 'I')n the end, Beery, you have a real point: if we're not around, what do we care about what else is?

[ralfy]

The problem, as explained in another thread, is that increased efficiency in a global capitalist system leads to more consumption and not less, as resources not used are considered part of opportunity costs.

[agramante]

And the profit motive encourages consumption, not conservation.

[Tanada]

The off topic meandering thread posts have been split off, please stick to what you want or don't want from Peak Oil in this thread.

If I could have whatever I wanted then peak oil would transition into a steady state economy with a reliable long term fuel source ending BAU for ever more in its current context. We don't have to give up technology, we do have to give up mass fad consumerism of every doodad someone creates and then makes a demand for by appealing to our inner wants and drives.

Peak oil won't end our human nature, but it will take a big dent out of mass doodad consumerism as BAU.

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '
')Peak oil won't end our human nature, but it will take a big dent out of mass doodad consumerism as BAU.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '
')Peak oil won't end our human nature, but it will take a big dent out of mass doodad consumerism as BAU.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '[')u]I am desperate to see peak oil merely recognized right now for what it is, a rather slow geologic/economic steamroller. Instead of waiting until it is in the rear view mirror. We certainly had had a million indications. We should be acting on it, and not a hypothetical abrupt climate change event that even IPCC thinks is highly unlikely. This has been my point of view laterly, and why I persist here in spite of the frustration and antagonism.

[ennui2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')I can totally relate to that sentiment. Which is why a fight the "it's not that bad" mantra some so often espouse.

[ennui2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I')n truth, it's not so bad

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', 'T')his desire to spin the present as worse than it is is all borne by cassandras who can't stand waiting around for doom to really set in, and so they have to try to do their mental gymnastics to convince everyone that it's worse than it really is.

[ennui2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')Shows how little you know about me or any agenda I might have. Of course, it's worse than it seems. To say otherwise, is to deny reality.