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Re: America--It's all a video game

Unread postby ralfy » Mon 17 Dec 2012, 03:44:23

Gun control doesn't simply mean banning particular weapons but also registration, background checks of owners, and ensuring that owners have received sufficient training and education in the use of firearms.
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Re: America--It's all a video game

Unread postby vaseline2008 » Tue 18 Dec 2012, 13:30:31

The bottom line is that anything could be used as a weapon. As other posters have stated, this is a mental issue and there is nothing any law will or can do to prevent mental instabilities. What if there weren't any guns in the US and someone used his car to kill people? Drugs are also illegal in the US but people have no problem obtaining them and using them. Ask Bon Jovi's kid.
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Re: America--It's all a video game

Unread postby ralfy » Tue 18 Dec 2012, 14:23:58

That's why there should be background checks.
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Re: America--It's all a video game

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 18 Dec 2012, 14:35:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WildRose', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', 'L')ack of gun control plus mental illness.


I'd agree with that.

But let's examine this case a little further -

The shooter was 20 years old, lived with his mother (who was a teacher), was a prior student at the same school (so would have been known in the community), was estranged from his brother - they hadn't been in contact for a couple years, and the parents were divorced. The family was affluent and well-educated.

So...could they not afford mental health care? Were they not aware their son needed mental health care? Were they embarrassed? In denial? Who obtained the guns, and why? I read somewhere that the shooter tried to purchase another gun a few days before the rampage.

Remember Columbine - the two shooters were young, they were "outsiders", they had amassed weapons and ammunition and their parents were apparently oblivious to the fact. They were also from affluent families, could they not afford mental health care or be aware that it was needed?

So many facets to cases like these.

But, there are people making big, big money on gun sales, and I believe the "freedom" to purchase all manner of guns will be protected for that reason, mostly.

In what kinds of circumstances are people in the US killed by guns? How many are gunned down in home invasions? (Compare that to the need to have guns to protect your family and property.) I'm willing to bet a large number of the gun deaths are similar to those that occur in Canada, that is, related to gang and drug activity. How often are innocent people killed in the cross-fire (there's always that chance, but how often does it happen, really?)

It seems in recent years that there's been an uptick in the number of deaths caused by shooters on rampages. Lack of gun control and mental illness are surely to blame, along with rage and glorification of guns - now how to fix it?


I bet the shooter wuz on psych meds.
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Re: America--It's all a video game

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 18 Dec 2012, 14:36:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vaseline2008', 'T')he bottom line is that anything could be used as a weapon. As other posters have stated, this is a mental issue and there is nothing any law will or can do to prevent mental instabilities. What if there weren't any guns in the US and someone used his car to kill people? Drugs are also illegal in the US but people have no problem obtaining them and using them. Ask Bon Jovi's kid.



psych meds......
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Re: America--It's all a video game

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 18 Dec 2012, 14:40:44

School Shooters Under the Influence of Psychiatric Drugs

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Fact: Between 2004 and 2011, there have been over 11,000 reports to the U.S. FDA’s MedWatch system of psychiatric drug side effects related to violence. These include 300 cases of homicide, nearly 3,000 cases of mania and over 7,000 cases of aggression. Note: By the FDA’s own admission, only 1-10% of side effects are ever reported to the FDA, so the actual number of side effects occurring are most certainly higher.

Fact: At least fourteen recent school shootings were committed by those taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs resulting in 109 wounded and 58 killed (in other school shootings, information about their drug use was never made public—neither confirming or refuting if they were under the influence of prescribed drugs.) The most important fact about this list, is that these are only the shooters where the information about their psychiatric drug use was made public.


http://www.cchrint.org/school-shooters/
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Re: America--It's all a video game

Unread postby ralfy » Wed 19 Dec 2012, 00:42:08

Reminds me of No. 4 in this article:

http://dont-tread-on.me/?p=4874
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Re: America--It's all a video game

Unread postby vaseline2008 » Wed 19 Dec 2012, 13:58:37

Psych meds won't show up on a background check due to Doctor - Patient confidentiality.
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Re: America--It's all a video game

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 19 Dec 2012, 16:08:34

an to think Ronnie Ray Gun (Rethug) banned fully auto weapons in 1986.

Anyone got a nice pre- 1986 AK-47 for sale?

The Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 will be remembered as an important piece of legislation for gun rights. However, Reagan also cast his support behind the two most controversial pieces of gun control legislation of the past 30 years. His support of the Assault Weapons Ban in 1994 may have directly led to the ban winning the approval of Congress. Congress passed the ban by a vote of 216-214. In addition to Klug voting for the ban after Reagan’s last minute plea, Rep. Dick Swett, D-N.H., also credited Reagan’s support of the bill for helping him decide to cast a favorable vote.


FYI: those cheap AK knock off's are junk. Mine jammed just setting in the doomstead for a few Months. Sold it the next week....
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Re: America--It's all a video game

Unread postby jupiters_release » Sun 30 Dec 2012, 11:07:33

Guys,

check out my post in the planning for the future forum thread about this 'massacre'..

Thought I'd be late to this here?
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Re: America--It's all a video game

Unread postby jupiters_release » Mon 31 Dec 2012, 03:03:42

Here's a condensed version of the Sandy Hook actors:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QVKu4_JxcE

Does anyone remember seeing any "parent" of one of the kids who were "killed" actually shedding one tear? Were these children real? If so, where they really killed? Or are they now new property of a federal program?
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Re: America--It's all a video game

Unread postby autonomous » Sun 06 Jan 2013, 17:10:19

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According to RT.com, some guy out west who calls himself “Milo Danger” built a Do It Yourself (DIY) Drone, armed it with a paint-ball gun, and flew it around zapping targets the size of dinner plates from as far as 15 yards, to demonstrate the inevitable future’s droning on and on. He said it took him about twelve hours and cost less than two thousand dollars to construct.

Of course the first thing they’ll do with these DIY drones is regulate them, so only “law enforcement” hobbyists, purchasing state-of-the-art drones from legitimate, government-contracted corporations, can use them to smoke “bad guys.” Then they’ll de-regulate the corporate drone-makers so they can fill the back-ordered requests of every local dictator and flat-foot from the Mayor of NYC to Sheriff Mayberry and Deputy Fife…

https://rt.com/usa/news/drone-danger-gun-paintball-496/print/
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Re: America--It's all a video game

Unread postby autonomous » Sun 06 Jan 2013, 20:37:35

Yeah, burn those video games! Make a huge bonfire!

Connecticut town to burn violent video games in wake of Sandy Hook tragedy

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') Connecticut community is urging people to turn in violent video games to be destroyed. The move was prompted by the December 14 mass shooting at nearby Sandy Hook Elementary School, during which 20 children and six educators were killed.
A collection drive will take place on January 12 in the town of Southington, Connecticut, a 30-minute drive from the scene of the massacre in Newtown.

Violent video games, CDs, and DVDs will be placed in a dumpster and later burned by town employees.
The event was was organized by Southington SOS, a coalition of local groups.

"As people arrive in their cars to turn in their games of violence, they will be offered a gift certificate donated by a member of the Greater Southington Chamber of Commerce as a token of appreciation for their action of responsible citizenship," the group said in a statement.

In a press release, Southington SOS said its actions should not be “construed as statement declaring that violent videogames were the cause of the shocking violence in Newtown on December 14," but that violent video games and films desensitize children to “acts of violence.”


http://rt.com/usa/news/sandy-hook-violent-games-356/
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