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THE 2012 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

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Re: THE 2012 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Postby SeaGypsy » Wed 22 Aug 2012, 23:53:36

Bloody oath Sparky! So stupid how down here in Australia most news outlets are still posting WTI as if it meant something, as THE oil price! The ABC has switched to Tapis in the last few months. Usually within a buck or two of Brent.
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Re: THE 2012 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Postby kublikhan » Thu 23 Aug 2012, 01:55:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'L')ooks like being in the $96.40/ 70 range. Puts me out with a $3.00ish lead.
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Re: THE 2012 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Postby PeakOiler » Wed 29 Aug 2012, 19:00:04

There was essentially no change in the closing price this week, so the standings did not change from last week with the exception of Quinny and wisconsin_cur who switched ranks.

Perhaps a higher closing price will occur in the next couple of weeks after the effects of TS/hurricane Isaac are better known.

Last I read, about 70% of the Gulf of Mexico's oil and gas production were shut in from the storm.
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Re: THE 2012 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Postby kublikhan » Fri 14 Sep 2012, 16:36:18

Anyone going to take over this thread now that PeakOiler has left us?
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Re: THE 2012 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Postby Pops » Fri 14 Sep 2012, 17:20:37

I saw him in PFTF the other day. the last price is 97.03 on 9/11 so probably not much change

Worse comes to worse I already have the spreadsheet laid out...
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Re: THE 2012 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Postby careinke » Fri 14 Sep 2012, 17:47:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I') saw him in PFTF the other day. the last price is 97.03 on 9/11 so probably not much change

Worse comes to worse I already have the spreadsheet laid out...

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Re: THE 2012 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Postby Quinny » Sat 15 Sep 2012, 02:32:01

PFTF???
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Re: THE 2012 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Postby davep » Sat 15 Sep 2012, 04:04:05

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Re: THE 2012 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Postby Revi » Sat 15 Sep 2012, 21:45:02

I am pleased that I went from 33rd to 28th place. Maybe in the backstretch we'll see the 157 high price happen. I may be a 50-1 bet, but if my horse comes in, it will be awesome! (maybe not so awesome for people buying oil)
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Re: THE 2012 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Postby SeaGypsy » Sat 15 Sep 2012, 23:46:54

An embargo and it's anyone's game.
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Re: THE 2012 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Postby Beery1 » Mon 17 Sep 2012, 10:13:36

Well, I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that things might change pretty radically. With three months to go and the world situation seeming a lot more precarious than it has been since the spring, it seems to me that there's a good chance of a price spike. The real question is, if that happens, who is still around with a reasonably close low call and therefore a good chance to take the lead?
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Re: THE 2012 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Postby davep » Mon 17 Sep 2012, 12:41:47

Is it bad to wish for war in order to gain love and respect from virtual people? :oops:
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Re: THE 2012 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Postby careinke » Wed 19 Sep 2012, 13:47:14

Oil is tanking. $91.36 as I type. I wonder if $100 is the new ceiling that causes an economic slowdown, which in turn lowers the price? I think Pops had a theory along those lines.
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Re: THE 2012 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Postby ralfy » Thu 20 Sep 2012, 23:13:01

In an economic slowdown, income levels also go down and unemployment goes up, which eventually makes the cheaper oil price expensive. And since oil cost production tends to remain sticky, then demand destruction is accompanied by production going offline.

Finally, the oil price should be around $40, which was the case from 1990 to 2004.
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Re: THE 2012 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Postby Revi » Fri 21 Sep 2012, 09:18:29

The Saudis are supposedly pumping more to get the price down despite the advent of QE3. I think it was part of the deal. It will work for a while, until something happens.

It's ok by me, because that means that the northern hemisphere will be able to make it through winter. This may not happen next year, or the year after that.
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Re: THE 2012 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Postby PeakOiler » Fri 21 Sep 2012, 19:33:53

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Re: THE 2012 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Postby sparky » Sun 23 Sep 2012, 18:55:38

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Some weird stuff has been hitting the markets for a week
the OPEC basket price is usually pretty boring , it hit a cliff

http://www.opec.org/opec_web/en/data_graphs/40.htm
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Re: THE 2012 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Postby wisconsin_cur » Sat 29 Sep 2012, 08:36:26

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Re: THE 2012 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Postby Outcast_Searcher » Sat 29 Sep 2012, 14:33:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', 'I')n an economic slowdown, income levels also go down and unemployment goes up, which eventually makes the cheaper oil price expensive. And since oil cost production tends to remain sticky, then demand destruction is accompanied by production going offline.

Finally, the oil price should be around $40, which was the case from 1990 to 2004.

Are you stuck in a time warp? The time-frame you cite was before the big surge in demand from Chindia and the richer of the rest of the third world trying to enter the middle class. The idea that, given real world constraints and supply/demand, that oil "should" be around $40, just because you want it to, or just because you fear an economic slowdown in the first world is so wrong it borders on silly, IMO.

And yes, it might dip to even, say, $30 temporarily with a bad economic hit -- I'm talking about $40 being "normal" for the long term, as you imply.
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: THE 2012 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Postby Outcast_Searcher » Sat 29 Sep 2012, 14:39:41

Well, I actually expected Isreal (with behind the scenes US backing) to hit Iran by year-end. If it does, the group with high prices like mine could end up sitting pretty. But I guess we won't know until after the election, as it appears the ONE thing Obama could do which could easily cost him the election now (despite all the right wing punditry acting like Romney will actually win the debates by a mile -- yeah sure -- that'll happen) -- would be to unleash the nightmare of the potential Iranian response on the US economy by letting that attack occur BEFORE the election.

More likely, this will be an interesting wild card for 2013's price challenge, IMO.
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