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Re: Medicaid Estate Recovery Act..

Unread postby AdTheNad » Sat 25 Aug 2012, 07:53:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', 'T')he law was passed under Clinton and was voted NO (you do understand No, don't you?) by EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN and some dems. So tell me again how this is the Reps fault, they voted against it.

It seems you misread my post. I didn't say R, or D, I said neo con. Are the Dems not neo cons in your universe? They seem to be from where I'm sitting.
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Re: Medicaid Estate Recovery Act..

Unread postby vision-master » Sat 25 Aug 2012, 07:56:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'Y')ou said at the beginning of this thread that your niece lost a 20 acre estate when those nice liberal folks who provide the "free" Medicare suddenly wanted to be paid back for all the free care.

Was there also a house on the 20 acres?

If its not too personal, just how much money did your family actually wind up losing when Medicare put a lien on the 20 acre estate to get paid back for all the"free" government healthcare??? :?:

1st off, her healthcare wasn't free.......

2cd, Medicare is subsidized by the Feds too - Medicare Recovery Act (comming next)?

3rd, we are talking about Medicaid, not Medicare Planted.

4th. My niece lost enough money to fund college for her two kids.

5th. I have lost nothing.
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Re: Medicaid Estate Recovery Act..

Unread postby mattduke » Sat 25 Aug 2012, 09:14:27

Sorry they are f****** your family over vision. They do it to us all. Providing for our heirs is important benevolent giving and a motivation for everyone. It is the continuation of civil society. The death tax is a cruel attack on love.
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Re: Medicaid Estate Recovery Act..

Unread postby beamofthewave » Sat 25 Aug 2012, 12:21:00

Indiana has been like that forever, to get in a nursing home you have to give up your house. In France Health care is free, why not here.
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Re: Medicaid Estate Recovery Act..

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 25 Aug 2012, 12:34:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('beamofthewave', ' ')In France Health care is free, why not here.

Right-O. Healthcare is free in Greece too, but no one can afford it now. How can it be expensive if it is free, you might wonder. Consider this story:

A friend of mine was traveling with her husband when the husband had a cerebral hemorage. He was rushed to a nearby French hospital. The doctor told the wife that he could operate to save her husband, but he would need $25,000 in cash from her before he would operate. She said she didn't have the money. He said, OK, we will schedule this surgery for a month from now. But thats too long she said---he is bleeding in his brain. The doctor smiled.

The woman hit the ATM and cabled home for all her savings and got the money together for the doctor in a few days. The surgery was scheduled as soon as she gave him the cash in a plain envelope.
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Re: Medicaid Estate Recovery Act..

Unread postby vision-master » Sat 25 Aug 2012, 17:33:44

Why didn't he have overseas medical insurance? I mean, you can even buy the stuff on a cruise ship!
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Re: Medicaid Estate Recovery Act..

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 25 Aug 2012, 19:05:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'W')hy didn't he have overseas medical insurance? I mean, you can even buy the stuff on a cruise ship!


You don't get it.

He did have overseas medical insurance. But the French doctor wouldn't do the surgery quickly unless he was bribed----.

THis kind of BS happens sometimes under socialized systems where the government pays inadequate salaries to doctors. In Greece today, also with "free" healthcare and socialized medicine, the entire healthcare system is breaking down. The doctors won't do much of anything unless they are paid under the table----

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Now I have a question about your story----Why didn't your relative who had her estate billed to pay her Medicaid bills have private insurance that would cover her medical needs? I mean, you can even buy that sort of insurance at Wal-Mart, for heaven's sake.

Please explain to me why your relative was dependent on Medicaid if she owned twenty acres and a house? Why didn't she sell off 5-10 acres and use the money to pay for insurance for her own care instead of expecting the taxpayers to pay for her medical needs? 8)
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Re: Medicaid Estate Recovery Act..

Unread postby vision-master » Sat 25 Aug 2012, 19:20:54

LOL -may have figured an angle.......... Homestead Exemption. :)

Her son ran his business from the property, simular to the family farm.

Neice is calling her addy Monday about this. :)

Can ya dig it........ :-D
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Re: Medicaid Estate Recovery Act..

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 25 Aug 2012, 19:35:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'L')OL -may have figured an angle. Homestead Exemption. :)
Her son ran his business from the property, simular to the family farm. Niece is calling her addy Monday about this. :)

Yup. Homestead exemptions can help protect the homes of elders from creditors after they die, but the homeowner usually has to file the paperwork and set it up before they die.

Good luck on that---maybe they'll make an exception for you (and next time remember to complete and file the paperwork and buy the insurance BEFORE you get to the taxable event). :)
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Re: Medicaid Estate Recovery Act..

Unread postby careinke » Sat 25 Aug 2012, 22:50:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdTheNad', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', 'T')he law was passed under Clinton and was voted NO (you do understand No, don't you?) by EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN and some dems. So tell me again how this is the Reps fault, they voted against it.

It seems you misread my post. I didn't say R, or D, I said neo con. Are the Dems not neo cons in your universe? They seem to be from where I'm sitting.



That's up for debate. Perhaps the Dems that did NOT vote for the law were neocons. Your argument is silly, are you saying that every single Rep and the few Dems who voted against the law were not Neocons, but the people who DID vote for it were.

So I guess I really did not understand your post. Could you please tell me how this law was passed by the Neocons. The way I see it the DEMS passed this law (No Reps voted for it). Perhaps you are saying the majority of the people who voted for this law were neocons? If so you really have to show me some proof, it does not pass the smell test.

Or you could just fess up and admit you were wrong when you said the neocons did this.
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Re: Medicaid Estate Recovery Act..

Unread postby vision-master » Sun 26 Aug 2012, 08:12:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'L')OL -may have figured an angle. Homestead Exemption. :)
Her son ran his business from the property, simular to the family farm. Niece is calling her addy Monday about this. :)

Yup. Homestead exemptions can help protect the homes of elders from creditors after they die, but the homeowner usually has to file the paperwork and set it up before they die.

Good luck on that---maybe they'll make an exception for you (and next time remember to complete and file the paperwork and buy the insurance BEFORE you get to the taxable event). :)


Planted, ever heard of pre-existing conditions?

Many ppl can't purchase medical insurance period (other than medicaid)!

In 45 states across the country, insurance companies can discriminate against people based on their pre-existing conditions when they try to purchase health insurance directly from insurance companies in the individual insurance market.4 Insurers can deny them coverage, charge higher premiums, and/or refuse to cover that particular medical condition.

A recent national survey estimated that 12.6 million non-elderly adults – 36 percent of those who tried to purchase health insurance directly from an insurance company in the individual insurance market – were in fact discriminated against because of a pre-existing condition in the previous three years.6

In another survey, one in 10 people with cancer said they could not obtain health coverage, and six percent said they lost their coverage, because of being diagnosed with the disease.7


http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/den ... index.html
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Re: Medicaid Estate Recovery Act..

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 26 Aug 2012, 12:23:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '
')Planted, ever heard of pre-existing conditions?


Visaster, ever heard of buying insurance before you get sick?

Thats how insurance works----you have to buy it before you need it.

Same thing with irrevocable trusts, homestead exemptions and other legal arrangements---normally these have to be set up BEFORE they are needed.

Hopefully you can fix this problem you are dealing with now. GOOD LUCK! :|
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Re: Medicaid Estate Recovery Act..

Unread postby vision-master » Sun 26 Aug 2012, 18:15:23

So you are a beneficiary of a 'Generation-Skipping Trust', eh planted?

Definition of 'Generation-Skipping Trust'

A type of legally binding trust agreement in which the contributed assets are passed down to the grantor's grandchildren, not the grantor's children. The generation to which the grantor's children belong skips the opportunity to receive the assets in order to avoid the estate taxes that would apply if the assets were transferred to them.


http://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/gen ... z24h01MKM9
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Re: Medicaid Estate Recovery Act..

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 26 Aug 2012, 18:30:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'S')o you are a beneficiary of a 'Generation-Skipping Trust', eh planted?


Put down the pipe. You are having another fantasy. :roll:
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Re: Medicaid Estate Recovery Act..

Unread postby vision-master » Sun 26 Aug 2012, 18:33:05

Come on planted, we all know yer a rich kid.

Anyhoo, the point is, poor ppl get screwed while wealthy ppl find loop holes to pass down their wealth.
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Re: Medicaid Estate Recovery Act..

Unread postby careinke » Sun 26 Aug 2012, 19:47:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '[')b]So you are a beneficiary of a 'Generation-Skipping Trust', eh planted?

Definition of 'Generation-Skipping Trust'

A type of legally binding trust agreement in which the contributed assets are passed down to the grantor's grandchildren, not the grantor's children. The generation to which the grantor's children belong skips the opportunity to receive the assets in order to avoid the estate taxes that would apply if the assets were transferred to them.


http://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/gen ... z24h01MKM9


My wife was a benificiary of one of those. 32 Acres of SE facing beach front on Puget Sound. It has now been in the family for 101 years. Had it not generation skipped the property would have been sub divided into view lots long ago.

We may very well do the same thing. It keeps the forest together, and makes you think along generational lines. My sons are already improving the place for when they take over stewardship.

Are we rich? Hardly if you count money, but land wise we are very wealthy. In a collapse, I prefer have good land over paper money.
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Re: Medicaid Estate Recovery Act..

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 26 Aug 2012, 19:54:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '
')My wife was a benificiary of one of those. 32 Acres of SE facing beach front on Puget Sound. It has now been in the family for 101 years. Had it not generation skipped the property would have been sub divided into view lots long ago.

We may very well do the same thing. It keeps the forest together, and makes you think along generational lines. My sons are already improving the place for when they take over stewardship.

Are we rich? Hardly if you count money, but land wise we are very wealthy. In a collapse, I prefer have good land over paper money.


Good for you.

My family bought a beach cabin on Vashon Island about 12 years ago and sold it a couple of years ago---We weren't going there often enough and we got a really nice offer. Hated to sell though---- what a great piece of heaven the Puget Sound area is. :)
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Re: Medicaid Estate Recovery Act..

Unread postby Pops » Mon 27 Aug 2012, 08:21:49

I think is a shame is that kids don't feel the responsibility to take care of their parents but still complain the state is "taking" their inheritance when what actually happened was the state assumed their responsibility.

It's too bad they don't have money for college, but it's also too bad the grandparents had to rely on the state to take care of them.
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Re: Medicaid Estate Recovery Act..

Unread postby dinopello » Mon 27 Aug 2012, 09:00:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I') think is a shame is that kids don't feel the responsibility to take care of their parents but still complain the state is "taking" their inheritance when what actually happened was the state assumed their responsibility.

It's too bad they don't have money for college, but it's also too bad the grandparents had to rely on the state to take care of them.


It was much easier to care for parents when there were households with at least someone not working. Many elder people in their 90s can't be left home alone, either due to physical or mental issues. Hiring a home care giver just for the day is as or more expensive than an assisted living at least around here. My Dad spent his last year in a nursing home that we were all hoping he would return from after a fall. We "self-paid" (5k/mo)) but most of the people in there were on Medicaid.

OTOH, inheritance is not something that anyone should expect, IMO.
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Re: Medicaid Estate Recovery Act..

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 27 Aug 2012, 09:02:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I') think is a shame is that kids don't feel the responsibility to take care of their parents but still complain the state is "taking" their inheritance when what actually happened was the state assumed their responsibility.


1st off pops, the State is obligated to inform recipients about 'medicaid recovery act' - they don't.

2cd, this has nothing to do with kids not taking care of their parents - it's about medical costs.

I took care of mum - she lived to 91, I helped her everyday, until she could not take care of herself.

Clearly, this law is designed to take what little the poor have.
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