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Unread postby chuck6877 » Sat 04 Jun 2005, 11:32:25

Good point,

My Dallas, TX roads are in pretty good shape:)

Coincidence that Bush's main residence is about 100 miles away??

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Unread postby RG73 » Sun 05 Jun 2005, 10:17:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('chuck6877', 'G')ood point,

My Dallas, TX roads are in pretty good shape:)

Coincidence that Bush's main residence is about 100 miles away??

Chuck


Yes, it is. Houston roads are awful, and nearly every major oil/energy company is there. Not to mention daddy Bush has a residence there. I imagine Cheney probably still maintains a residence in Houston as well. And Tom Delay is always driving those pothole ridden roads. Doesn't do a thing for the roads there.

Now Austin roads are pretty well maintained and fixed quickly, but you have the state legislature driving on the roads all the time here, so maybe that has something to do with it. But just be thankful that Dallas has the will to maintain its roads--and watch out if you drive to Houston.
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Unread postby marko » Sun 05 Jun 2005, 22:30:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RG73', 'H')ouston roads are awful, and nearly every major oil/energy company is there. ... But just be thankful that Dallas has the will to maintain its roads--and watch out if you drive to Houston.


Now, this is interesting. I don't know much about Texas, but I am intrigued. Are all of Houston's roads awful, or just the ones in the inner city, which probably tends to vote Democratic? If my theory is correct, highways in central Houston will be in bad shape, but highways in the Republican periphery will be well-maintained.
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Unread postby swa_mech » Sun 05 Jun 2005, 23:39:06

yes Houston roads are awful. thanks to our former mayor Lee Brown. heavy suspension on your vehicle is required around here. construction? we are just use to it.
in fact Interstate 10 or Interstate 45 is also known as 401k freeway, since the roads are always under construction, and some of the road workers have worked their entire live on the roads.
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Unread postby marko » Mon 06 Jun 2005, 21:49:52

But are the roads bad in Houston's Republican suburbs, or just in the city itself?
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Unread postby strider3700 » Tue 07 Jun 2005, 01:31:23

today I had a short flight out and then back into town. It was very interesting to see the city from the air. Our town is a lot like a half circle coming up from the harbour. The harbour downtown had for over 100 years been the heart of the city but these days it's mostly empty, the areas close to down town are ultra lowend housing, then you get houses built in the 60's and early 70's and then you hit the newer malls with houses from the 80's and finally the giant box stores and newish houses. Beyond that there are still native trees and smallish farms. At current growth it will only be another 10-15 years before my house is in the middle of the building area that everyone has to be to get away from the slummy old parts.

Basically the town reminded me of a spreading fire. it started downtown and was spreading out getting faster as it went. Behind it is nothing but urban waste that we throw millions at to revitalize but never actually get anything.

I don't know what changed but downtown was the place to be until the early 60's, after that people started moving out into the farm land and have never looked back.
shame on us, doomed from the start
god have mercy on our dirty little hearts
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Unread postby SupplyConcerns » Tue 07 Jun 2005, 05:38:28

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')Now hold on a minute, I don't think that Jim meant that America would never be a place worth caring about in the future, even if he meant that it wasn't today. My community isn't some ridiculous, bloated, generic suburban sprawl mess, it is a quiet, small, midwestern town with surprisingly decent community spirit. The local economy is based on light manufacturing and supplying the surrounding agricultural areas. I am worried about what will happen, as I know those closest to the lowest rung on the ladder will be hit by any problems first. Some of the people I know are already hurting financially just from the increase in gas prices recently.


My small town of Oberlin, Ohio is the same way. People like us who understand firsthand how wonderful American community life can be need to step up and remind people that there is a better way and the sustainable small town will be a better way to live.
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Unread postby RG73 » Tue 07 Jun 2005, 13:05:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('marko', 'B')ut are the roads bad in Houston's Republican suburbs, or just in the city itself?


All of them. Last weekend I hit a fairly substantial pothole (I came up on it fast, but I'd guess we're talking at least 4" deep and over a foot and a half across) in Bellaire, which is an incorporated city within Houston with a pretty high per capita income. It's one of the nicer parts of the city. I saw a few in West University--another rich, incorporated city. There are potholes on the major roads that surround River Oaks, another very wealthy enclave. It might actually be worse in the better off neighborhoods because the ghettos in Houston get very little traffic (there are parts of Houston that seem downright third world). I even broke an axle a few years back driving there (I had a little Nissan Pulsar that rides pretty low to the ground and it was practically engulfed by this crater in the road). I haven't lived there in about two years, but when I visit it doesn't seem much improved.

But yes, the road quality doesn't seem to vary across the city with wealth in the older parts of the city. The new suburbs, of course, haven't fallen apart quite yet, so that they have money and good roads is a coincidence of timing.
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