[Pops]

surprised your trolling and ad homs don't spark intelligent conversation?

Maybe you should post somewhere your logic is appreciated.

[Shaved Monkey]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FarQ3', 'I') thought that US intelligence did a cleaner job of weeding out these terrorist types in the past and disposing of them, but maybe I 'm wrong.

[careinke]

I think Jimmy Carter is the best EX president ever. While in office, not so much.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', 'I') think Jimmy Carter is the best EX president ever. While in office, not so much.

[Fishman]

Pops, I've posted direct quotes from president Carter that directly contradict himself. He called those that disagree with the policies of a president racist, then does the same thing himself. YOU OFFERED NOTHING intellectually other than name calling, oh wait, isn't that one of the definitions of a troll?

[ColossalContrarian]

The problem with Jimmy is that he actually cared about the ME and warned people many years ago about the problem of CIA alchemy and pranks in the vicinity.

What I find hilarious a is how Sixstrings and Fishman argue back and forth (in numerous threads) believing their ideals are better than the others yet at the same time they have the same goal in the end and that is to royally screw over future generations (aka their grandchildren).

Some how Sixstrings finds ways to put down Carter and defend Clinton and Obama while Fishman defends Regan, Bush, and Bush, all the while the beliefs and warnings of Jimmy Carter come true (a few decades later). So Sixstrings and Fishman are in agreement that Jimmy was a terrible president if not the worst ever, and the bozo's who've been in office, right or left, where still better than Carter. Next I imagine you two will continue to argue and put down future generations while in the end you both really just want to screw them over. This is the type of nonsense the youth need to understand. You both might disagree about a lot but when it comes to screwing future generations you're on the same team.

[Fishman]

Colos, your knowledge of history fails even the simplest test
"The Carter Doctrine was a policy proclaimed by President of the United States Jimmy Carter in his State of the Union Address on January 23, 1980, which stated that the United States would use military force if necessary to defend its national interests in the Persian Gulf region"

Hows that for "he actually cared about the ME"?

[SILENTTODD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dissident', 'T')here was something else that was declared at the end of WWII: the Nuremberg Convention. Starting wars is the ultimate war crime. The US wants to start wars everywhere and all the time. It uses transparent propaganda about human rights as some sort of fig leaf justification. In Syria it funds and arms militants to start an insurrection and when there are the inevitable civilian deaths and atrocities it cries that it is justified in its policy. This is right up there with the German staged attacks along the Polish border in 1939.

We have crying in the western media about atrocities on civilians but when hundreds are killed by NATO bombs, it's "sh*t happens". There were no atrocities in Syria in 2010 and before the militant FSA started its armed quest for power. Nobody who is honest would paint the FSA as some vast improvement over Assad's regime. These are jihadi fanatics who want a Sharia paradise. Assad's regime is at least secular. BTW, where is the crying in the west about the Egyptian junta trying to run the show regardless of elections. Why isn't Hillary Clinton foaming at the mouth about "unacceptable behaviour"?

Carter doesn't even attack the US foreign policy on it is main problem, violation of international law. He has to resort to the whishy-washy "human rights" tropes. Wars kill people and that is the ultimate violation of human rights.

[Fishman]

"Rudolf Hess was held in Spandau prison for 41 years, not for crimes of the holocaust which he had nothing to do with, but for crimes against peace (planning and preparation of aggressive war)."

Wow, looks like we will have to keep the Guantanamo prison open for a long time.

There were atrocities in Syria in 2010 and have been seen the Assad family has ruled Syria. Again, pick up a history book.

[ralfy]

"Jimmy Carter, hide your head in shame"

http://www.iranian.com/Opinion/2004/Sep ... index.html

[Plantagenet]

If its legal under international law for the US to fly drones over Pakistan and blow Afghanis up, then....

Why shouldn't China fly drones over India and blow up Tibetan dissidents?

Is it legal for Spain to fly drones over France and blow up Basque rebels?

Is it legal for Britain should fly drones over Boston to blow up IRA members?

Can Syria fly drones over Turkey to blow up Syrian refugees and fighters?

What is a drone for the goose is also a drone for the gander.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', '
')Wow, looks like we will have to keep the Guantanamo prison open for a long time.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I')f its legal under international law for the US to fly drones over Pakistan and blow Afghanis up, then....

Why shouldn't China fly drones over India and blow up Tibetan dissidents?

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', '&')quot;Jimmy Carter, hide your head in shame"

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I')f its legal under international law for the US to fly drones over Pakistan and blow Afghanis up, then....

Why shouldn't China fly drones over India and blow up Tibetan dissidents?

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')
Also, is this article right, it says it was Carter's fault the shah fell.

[ColossalContrarian]

Wouldn't it be nice if all of America's (and the world's) problems could be blamed on Jimmy? Imagine how much better the US and entire world would be without his presidency.

Now that you've found the source for all the worlds problems, how are Obama or Romney going to fix it? Hope and Change or a Mormon Business man, they both get paid by the same people so I don't think anything different will happen but people clearly like getting lied to.

The fact of the mater is that US citizens do not like leaders who are realistic so we elect people who make us "feel" happy.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ColossalContrarian', 'W')ouldn't it be nice if all of America's (and the world's) problems could be blamed on Jimmy? Imagine how much better the US and entire world would be without his presidency.

[PrestonSturges]

Jimmy Carter's record on job creation was pretty astounding. He's been the victim of 30 years of wingnut slander.

And he "gave away the Panama Canal!!!!" which was supposedly a fiasco. Has that ever been a problem? No.

[efarmer]

Our declarations, just like our Declaration of Independence are not a statement of how we are as much as a statement of how we wish to be and IMHO do to grow into our shared beliefs as a nation. This is why the political dualities citing such declarations and then using present facts and insights to measure differentially against them as if they were absolute truth when declared is simply farce with cheese sprinkled on top. It riles up pinheads to holler at each other on AM radio and sells soft drinks and probably glow in the dark condoms.

It is hard to aspire to upholding human rights, human dignity, and operate as a global projector of every sort of power, including the well intentioned and noble sort of applied power. It is hard to do since it is a money loser and there is competition that makes money by ignoring all of this sort of stuff completely or in a large part.

Whenever people of noble intentions have to run a real operation and keep it going and steer it a bit when possible to do good works, the idealism bleeds off, and the intense crisis and pressure of the real and dynamic world comes in.

The world is not a fair, nor tolerant, nor balanced, nor a Golden Rule sort of place and will never be. If we wish to be good to each other and fair, we must make good moves so that the tendency of us to be predators and kill each other for a buck or a burrito or a belief,
is tempered enough to give a few licks to the noble ideas and kind gestures. It is as good as it gets, let's not pretend we were once perfect and kind and fell from grace lately, and need to bust our ass to return there instead of slowly evolve to a higher level of civilization. Which might or might not happen either. I did not used to be perfect and am not trying to get back to it, I am flawed and trying to be better. For all the perfect folks, Rock On.