[Sixstrings]

Please don't merge with Obama thread, the Pacific nafta deal has been going on since Bush it's not all about Obama it's a separate issue.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Obama Trade Document Leaked, Revealing New Corporate Powers And Broken Campaign Promises

WASHINGTON -- A critical document from President Barack Obama's free trade negotiations with eight Pacific nations was leaked online early Wednesday morning, revealing that the administration intends to bestow radical new political powers upon multinational corporations, contradicting prior promises.

The leaked document has been posted on the website of Public Citizen, a long-time critic of the administration's trade objectives. The new leak follows substantial controversy surrounding the secrecy of the talks, in which some members of Congress have complained they are not being given the same access to trade documents that corporate officials receive.

"The outrageous stuff in this leaked text may well be why U.S. trade officials have been so extremely secretive about these past two years of [trade] negotiations," said Lori Wallach, director of Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch in a written statement.

...

Under the agreement currently being advocated by the Obama administration, American corporations would continue to be subject to domestic laws and regulations on the environment, banking and other issues. But foreign corporations operating within the U.S. would be permitted to appeal key American legal or regulatory rulings to an international tribunal. That international tribunal would be granted the power to overrule American law and impose trade sanctions on the United States for failing to abide by its rulings.

The terms run contrary to campaign promises issued by Obama and the Democratic Party during the 2008 campaign.

...

"Bush was better than Obama on this," said Judit Rius, U.S. manager of Doctors Without Borders Access to Medicines Campaign, referring to the medication rules. "It's pathetic, but it is what it is. The world's upside-down."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/13/obama-trade-document-leak_n_1592593.html

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')"Bush was better than Obama on this," said Judit Rius, U.S. manager of Doctors Without Borders Access to Medicines Campaign, referring to the medication rules. "It's pathetic, but it is what it is."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/13/obama-trade-document-leak_n_1592593.html

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'W')ho can still be surprised by the dishonesty and perfidy of Obama. The man has no principles------

[JohnRM]

"We hungry but them belly full
the structure is set you never change it with a ballot pull"

[Oneaboveall]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnRM', '&')quot;We hungry but them belly full
the structure is set you never change it with a ballot pull"

[Loki]

Funny how wingnuts moan incessantly about the UN but conveniently ignore global trade agreements and their impingement of American sovereignty.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', 'F')unny how wingnuts moan incessantly about the UN but conveniently ignore global trade agreements and their impingement of American sovereignty.

[Timo]

Just a thought, and i know nothing that would substantiate this theory, but it seems to me that the only way an otherwise seemingly honest politician would allow deals like this to be crafted, and then to come out and support them is through some form of blackmail. I suppose everyone already knows that there's unknown levels of curruption at all levels of government all across the planet, but a deal of this magnitude, at this particular time, to be kept secret from your constituency when the ramifications are so disastrous for your country, it just seems to me that TBTP were forced into this predicament. On the surface of what i know about this mess, it sure doesn't seem voluntary, to me.

BTW, that's not an excuse for what has happened, already.

[SeaGypsy]

The blackmail is obvious, so blatant most Americans will never see it. The corporations are doing your government a favour letting you cede sovereignty. When it comes to wage parity, whoever is in the Whitehouse can blame this new international body, who are going to end up being everybody's boss.

[Cloud9]

The internationalists control the world. Fascism and socialism are but different shades of the same totalitarian mechanisms they use to control us. Both will put you on your knees facing a ditch. It makes little difference if the bullet going through your brain is a 9mm or a 7.62. You are dead either way.

If you live by another’s liege you are not free. You are a slave. Your dictator may be benevolent in his relations with you but you are still a slave. On a whim he can and will end your life.

Anyone who thinks we are free is sleepwalking.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Timo', 'J')ust a thought, and i know nothing that would substantiate this theory, but it seems to me that the only way an otherwise seemingly honest politician would allow deals like this to be crafted, and then to come out and support them is through some form of blackmail.

[mmasters]

What can you do? Marginalization and covert slavery is becoming more every day.

I'm sure there'll be some interesting "events" in the future.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')Nobody is interested in trade issues. It's always been that way. Perot warned us and we ignored him and that was that. But therefore, nobody can complain anymore about a crappy economy and permanent jobs deficit and neverending economic depression -- these nafta style trade deals are the reason, I'm sorry to everyone if it's dull.

[SeaGypsy]

Most of the energy used getting a bit of particle board from Beijing to Dallas are used between whatever US port the container lands in and Dallas, with the least efficient part of the journey being from retail to place of use. Shipping is by far the most efficient form of transport; followed by rail, then trucks of descending size, then owner vehicles.

[Timo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'M')ost of the energy used getting a bit of particle board from Beijing to Dallas are used between whatever US port the container lands in and Dallas, with the least efficient part of the journey being from retail to place of use. Shipping is by far the most efficient form of transport; followed by rail, then trucks of descending size, then owner vehicles.

[SeaGypsy]

All of which absolutely guarantees the continued fall of the RE market, which continues the financial crisis and the death of the American middle class.

[bromius]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')I will say one Obama thing.. if I'm a Ralph Nader type, then what third party can I vote for? I don't like this ^^, when Obama out-Bush's George Bush. Obama is too Republican for me, he would have been too Republican for Reagan or Gerald Ford for that matter.

[dissident]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bromius', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')I will say one Obama thing.. if I'm a Ralph Nader type, then what third party can I vote for? I don't like this ^^, when Obama out-Bush's George Bush. Obama is too Republican for me, he would have been too Republican for Reagan or Gerald Ford for that matter.