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Re: Does America deserve to be free anymore?

Unread postby Pops » Thu 14 Jun 2012, 08:16:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'O')K, I convinced myself that agree with you - it's a silly diversion.

HA! Don't feel bad, even a stopped clock is right twice a day. :-D

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', 'T')hey're completely focused on divisive surface level topics, like gay marriage. Meanwhile the two party dictatorship remains undefeated, winning another election and passing on more traitorous policy.

Check.

Meanwhile, one dollar, one vote carries the day...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')heldon Adelson shakes up race with $10 million pro-Romney donation

By Matea Gold / Tribune Washington Bureau
Thursday, June 14, 2012

WASHINGTON — The news that casino magnate Sheldon Adelson is pumping $10 million into a "super PAC" backing Republican presidential challenger Mitt Romney underscores how swiftly this campaign’s state of play can be affected by a single wealthy donor.

The contribution by Adelson — reported Wednesday by the Wall Street Journal and confirmed by the Los Angeles Times/Tribune Washington Bureau — comes after he and his family pumped $21.5 million into a super PAC that supported former House Speaker Newt Gingrich during the GOP primaries. The Adelson family effectively subsidized the entire Gingrich super PAC — its contributions made up 89 percent of all the money raised by Winning Our Future.
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Re: Does America deserve to be free anymore?

Unread postby dinopello » Thu 14 Jun 2012, 09:15:49

What the heck... Great double face palm pic

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Maybe the Lady took a little R&R

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Re: Does America deserve to be free anymore?

Unread postby Timo » Thu 14 Jun 2012, 09:48:18

Divide and conquer! Occupy their little minds with superficial, yet emotional religious, moral dogma, framed as 'national security,' or 'protecting the children,' while we go about dismantling the core protections granted to them by those silly founding fathers in their silly constitution. People don't run this country anymore. Corporations do, and what's good for us is good, well, for us! Use the media that we own and control to divert their attention away from reality with 'reality TV!' People care more about the Kardashians than the Pcaific trade agreement. People care more about the Chicago Bears than domestic drones spying on them while they watch the Chicago Bears. Pit the people against each other, and we can proceed forward in peaceful solitude. No one will ever notice.
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Re: Does America deserve to be free anymore?

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Thu 14 Jun 2012, 11:11:06

It makes me wonder when the Xtians and Tea Party folks will get a clue. They are neccesssary for the conservative "movement" but they are also expendable to the movement no matter how convinced they are that they run the show.

With these right wing kook billionaires like Harlan Crow etc, and their obsessions with cults and dictators and Nazis, I think we are starting to see what is probably a completely amoral world view based on Nietzsche ("God is dead"). These Nietzschean "supermen" see themselves as having evolved completely beyond "good" and "evil." Religion is strictly for use as a propaganda tool.
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Re: Does America deserve to be free anymore?

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 14 Jun 2012, 11:19:03

Richard C. Hoagland believes the Nazis are alive and well, they just went underground.

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Re: Does America deserve to be free anymore?

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Thu 14 Jun 2012, 13:21:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'R')ichard C. Hoagland believes the Nazis are alive and well, they just went underground.

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The SPLC has a national map. There's plenty of Nazi groups, although there seem to be a lot of competing factions. Nazis can't get along with each other? Go figure.
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Re: Does America deserve to be free anymore?

Unread postby Oneaboveall » Fri 15 Jun 2012, 01:50:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '.')..With these right wing kook billionaires like Harlan Crow etc, and their obsessions with cults and dictators and Nazis, I think we are starting to see what is probably a completely amoral world view based on Nietzsche ("God is dead"). These Nietzschean "supermen" see themselves as having evolved completely beyond "good" and "evil." Religion is strictly for use as a propaganda tool.

I just looked up Mr. Crow. That collection of statues of dictators sounds damn creepy, kind of like Joe Don Baker's wax figure collection in "The Living Daylights".
When the banksters want something, our policymakers move with the speed of Mercury and the determination of Ares. It’s only when the rest of us need something that there is paralysis.

How free are we today with the dominance of globalist capital and militarized security apparatus?
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Re: Does America deserve to be free anymore?

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Fri 15 Jun 2012, 02:11:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '.')..With these right wing kook billionaires like Harlan Crow etc, and their obsessions with cults and dictators and Nazis, I think we are starting to see what is probably a completely amoral world view based on Nietzsche ("God is dead"). These Nietzschean "supermen" see themselves as having evolved completely beyond "good" and "evil." Religion is strictly for use as a propaganda tool.

I just looked up Mr. Crow. That collection of statues of dictators sounds damn creepy, kind of like Joe Don Baker's wax figure collection in "The Living Daylights".


Also the asshole that runs the National Prayer Breakfast that is mandaotry for DC politicians. The leader of The Fellowship (aka The Family) fetishizes power and compares Jesus to “Lenin, Ho Chi Minh, Bin Laden”

But I have been on the lookout for an honest to God Nazi nut billionaire puppetmaster for quite a while, and Harlan has some of Hitlers personal belongings. It sure seems like they are experimenting with Nazi policies state by state. You just need one rich crazy Hitler lover to give the orders and make the wheels turn.

Let's review:
1) Unions
GOP Wisconsin: Crush the unions
Germany: Enabling Act outlaws unions1933
2) Church and State Political Alliance
GOP form alliance with churches 2012
Germany: Concordance of 1933 treaty with Rome
3) Abolish Local Governments
GOP Michigan: Take over local government
Germany abolishes local governments: 1934, 1935
4) Protect Marriage
GOP DOMA to outlaw gay marriage
Germany: Nuremberg Laws outlaws marriage and sex with Jews 1935
5) Denigrate Public Education
GOP cuts education $1 B per state.
Germany: Schools (which were already conservative) are packed with political hacks. Germany enters WW2 with shortage of engineers.
6) Fertility and Abortion
GOP: obsession with delining white birth rate and abortion
Germany: obsession with white birth rate, foreigners, 1943 - abortion for Aryan women has the death penalty http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_i ... e-Ferree-0
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/1 ... 6240949873
7) Declining wages, Soaring Profits
America: 30 years of wage stagnation, companies hoarde $3 billion in cash
Germany in the 1930s: Wages drop 30%, profits soar
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Re: Does America deserve to be free anymore?

Unread postby mmasters » Fri 15 Jun 2012, 02:18:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '.')..With these right wing kook billionaires like Harlan Crow etc, and their obsessions with cults and dictators and Nazis, I think we are starting to see what is probably a completely amoral world view based on Nietzsche ("God is dead"). These Nietzschean "supermen" see themselves as having evolved completely beyond "good" and "evil." Religion is strictly for use as a propaganda tool.

I just looked up Mr. Crow. That collection of statues of dictators sounds damn creepy, kind of like Joe Don Baker's wax figure collection in "The Living Daylights".

Oh yeah, that guy has a love for dictatorships and generously supports our two party dictatorship.

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/ ... mney.html/
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Re: Does America deserve to be free anymore?

Unread postby dinopello » Fri 15 Jun 2012, 08:02:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'A')lso the asshole that runs the National Prayer Breakfast that is mandaotry for DC politicians. The leader of The Fellowship (aka The Family) fetishizes power and compares Jesus to “Lenin, Ho Chi Minh, Bin Laden”


I lived for a couple years down the street from The Family/Fellowship compound

We'd watch the van loads of young boys being taken to perform their 'services' (probably at the C Street house). Didn't discover until we moved what they were all about.

The Harpers article on them is a classic undercover report.

This guy wrote a really long "expose" on The Family that certainly has some truth to it but there are serveral things where I think he goes a bit far
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Re: Does America deserve to be free anymore?

Unread postby careinke » Fri 15 Jun 2012, 11:45:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '
')Check.

Meanwhile, one dollar, one vote carries the day...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')heldon Adelson shakes up race with $10 million pro-Romney donation

By Matea Gold / Tribune Washington Bureau
Thursday, June 14, 2012

WASHINGTON — The news that casino magnate Sheldon Adelson is pumping $10 million into a "super PAC" backing Republican presidential challenger Mitt Romney underscores how swiftly this campaign’s state of play can be affected by a single wealthy donor.

The contribution by Adelson — reported Wednesday by the Wall Street Journal and confirmed by the Los Angeles Times/Tribune Washington Bureau — comes after he and his family pumped $21.5 million into a super PAC that supported former House Speaker Newt Gingrich during the GOP primaries. The Adelson family effectively subsidized the entire Gingrich super PAC — its contributions made up 89 percent of all the money raised by Winning Our Future.


Interesting how you randomly picked this instance, yet remain silent on the fact that Obama holds the record for attending more fund raisers than any other sitting president. He raises way more money than Romney. Your right, one dollar one vote, which is why Obama will get another term. Or is it OK with you that Obama gets money from the rich, just not Republicans?
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Re: Does America deserve to be free anymore?

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Fri 15 Jun 2012, 11:49:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'A')lso the asshole that runs the National Prayer Breakfast that is mandaotry for DC politicians. The leader of The Fellowship (aka The Family) fetishizes power and compares Jesus to “Lenin, Ho Chi Minh, Bin Laden”


I lived for a couple years down the street from The Family/Fellowship compound

We'd watch the van loads of young boys being taken to perform their 'services' (probably at the C Street house). Didn't discover until we moved what they were all about.

The Harpers article on them is a classic undercover report.


Oh yeah the C Street House which functioned as a love nest for some Republicans and provided others with free rent and maid service on Capital Hill which amounted to bribery since it was not declared as contributions.

There was an article on the Family ten years ago in the Post and they talked about the squeaky clean eager young men. And there is also a ladies auxillary of debutantes who bring in lots of home cooked meals. So they asked Muffy about whether there was any dating between the guys and gals and she just sighed and said "No they have no time becuse they are so dedicated to their work." That just about made me shoot milk out my nose.

Of course, congress has always had access to prostitutes (See "Hookergate" and why Duke Cunningham went to prision and why the Bush appointed head of the CIA suddenly resigned). But the great white whale of DC scandals has been boy hookers at least since the Washington Times accused someone of sneaking boy hookers into the Bush41 White House.
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Re: Does America deserve to be free anymore?

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Fri 15 Jun 2012, 11:52:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '
')Check.

Meanwhile, one dollar, one vote carries the day...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')heldon Adelson shakes up race with $10 million pro-Romney donation

By Matea Gold / Tribune Washington Bureau
Thursday, June 14, 2012

WASHINGTON — The news that casino magnate Sheldon Adelson is pumping $10 million into a "super PAC" backing Republican presidential challenger Mitt Romney underscores how swiftly this campaign’s state of play can be affected by a single wealthy donor.

The contribution by Adelson — reported Wednesday by the Wall Street Journal and confirmed by the Los Angeles Times/Tribune Washington Bureau — comes after he and his family pumped $21.5 million into a super PAC that supported former House Speaker Newt Gingrich during the GOP primaries. The Adelson family effectively subsidized the entire Gingrich super PAC — its contributions made up 89 percent of all the money raised by Winning Our Future.


Interesting how you randomly picked this instance, yet remain silent on the fact that Obama holds the record for attending more fund raisers than any other sitting president. He raises way more money than Romney. Your right, one dollar one vote, which is why Obama will get another term. Or is it OK with you that Obama gets money from the rich, just not Republicans?


He raises way more money than Romney.

Ok, you need to be more specific for that to not be a lie.
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Re: Does America deserve to be free anymore?

Unread postby careinke » Fri 15 Jun 2012, 11:57:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'T')he Harpers article on them is a classic undercover report.[/url]


Oh yeah the C Street House which functioned as a love nest for some Republicans and provided others with free rent and maid service on Capital Hill which amounted to bribery since it was not declared as contributions.

There was an article on the Family ten years ago in the Post and they talked about the squeaky clean eager young men. And there is also a ladies auxillary of debutantes who bring in lots of home cooked meals. So they asked Muffy about whether there was any dating between the guys and gals and she just sighed and said "No they have no time becuse they are so dedicated to their work." That just about made me shoot milk out my nose.

Of course, congress has always had access to prostitutes (See "Hookergate" and why Duke Cunningham went to prision and why the Bush appointed head of the CIA suddenly resigned). But the great white whale of DC scandals has been boy hookers at least since the Washington Times accused someone of sneaking boy hookers into the Bush41 White House.[/quote]

OK Preston you convinced me, I should follow the Dems the bastions of morality. How could they not be with such guiding lights like Edwards, Clinton etc, etc.
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Re: Does America deserve to be free anymore?

Unread postby Pops » Fri 15 Jun 2012, 12:11:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', 'I')nteresting how you randomly picked this instance, yet remain silent on the fact that Obama holds the record for attending more fund raisers than any other sitting president. He raises way more money than Romney. Your right, one dollar one vote, which is why Obama will get another term. Or is it OK with you that Obama gets money from the rich, just not Republicans?

It isn't random at all careinke:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s of the end of April, 43 percent of the donors who contributed to the Obama campaign gave $200 or less, generating a total of $88.5 million, according to the Campaign Finance Institute, a nonpartisan Washington research group. By contrast, only 10 percent of those who gave to former governor Mitt Romney’s campaign had made donations of $200 or less, accounting for $9.8 million.

I've posted a couple of times the top donor list for the two of them and all but a couple of Mits donors are wall streeters while only a couple of O's are.

Why be coy about the fact that the R's are for the corps and the 1% and merely pander to the proles for votes?

Obama and Romney are only a hairs breadth apart on the Political Compass Map which entirely obscures the fact that Romney is in it by the 1%, for the 1%. If you think they deserve everything they can steal and society be damned, then by all means, vote in their candidate.
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Re: Does America deserve to be free anymore?

Unread postby dinopello » Fri 15 Jun 2012, 12:18:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'T')here was an article on the Family ten years ago in the Post and they talked about the squeaky clean eager young men.


Here's one. There was a lot of local attention paid to them in the early 2000's because of two issues.

There was a bike bridge that went over Spout Run Parkway that was taken out in a car crash and the Bicycle Advisory Committee wanted to put it on the work plan to reestablish it. Only it would create a connection that went right by the Cedars - the Fellowship compound. The Fellowship has been buying up houses in that neighborhood and mobilized their members into the civic association to pass a resolution to oppose the bridge and they eventualy won. Then the zoning administrator discovered that they had been using some of the houses to house more of their young plebes and had never done the proper stuff to get approval for a group house. It was an interesting public hearing on that for those of us who follow and participate in out local government.

Then there was the visit by Yassir Arafat to the Cedars on the street where I lived (after I had moved though) and his security detail up and down the street with weapons drawn. This is a pretty typical neighborhood street with houses pretty close together. It's what I like about living here though, its hardly ever dull.
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Re: Does America deserve to be free anymore?

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Fri 15 Jun 2012, 17:35:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', 'O')K Preston you convinced me, I should follow the Dems the bastions of morality. How could they not be with such guiding lights like Edwards, Clinton etc, etc.

When I talk about the hookers the GOP likes so much these are hookers supplied by lobbyists. This isn' t hookers Republicans pay for out of pocket, it's bribery. Although I think David "Family Values" Vitter paid for his own.
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Re: Does America deserve to be free anymore?

Unread postby gollum » Fri 15 Jun 2012, 17:46:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'W')hat Gypsy said.

In the context of deserving freedom, would you think frittering away emotion on being forced to wear a helmet while riding a bike is more or less egregious than...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;every day, the NSA intercepts and stores around 1.7 billion emails, phone calls, text and other electronic communications"

National Intelligence Director James Clapper ... “It is not reasonably possible to identify the number of people located in the United States whose communications may have been reviewed under the authority.”

The representatives aren't even allowed to know the extent of the invasions.

It amazes me how people can be led around by the ear simply through the small minded ramblings of a few glorified DJs who spout rhetoric exactly like trolls on message boards. Bile designed to elicit an emotional response and shut off rationality.

It's the perfect head fake, daily at 10am on your local station, hand wave to get people to think carrying a gun or going bareheaded is more important than whether the NSA is intercepting and saving your personal conversations.

Get 'em all riled up worried that wet backs are stealing elections while the keys to the ballot box are handed to the highest bidder. Or convince voters that Obama was born in Kenya but who cheer on the SCOTUS for granting unlimited ability to influence elections to corporations whose customers, profits and stockholders for that matter can and do come from countries not at all concerned about our best interest.


ooooh, those evil helmet laws are stealing my freedom.

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Very good points which of course bother me more than seat belt laws.....
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Re: Does America deserve to be free anymore?

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Fri 15 Jun 2012, 18:36:43

My reading of it is that the entire uncoded network is captured and saved somewhere. There are at least 3 main central databases, one in Australia which 'does' SE Asia, another in Europe and another in continental USA. Only the Australian one was 'openly' announced as 'Echelon'; it has 3,000 full time rotating staff, a significant portion of who are American. Since opening in '99 the eraser has gone over the net to the point it's hard to find mention of the system. It is never mentioned in the news, only the old language of licensed tapping is used. Headlines about switching on these systems in the USA and Europe (England in particular) were published and subsequently pushed to page 8 then oblivion by the latest terrorist threat or Hollywood scandal. I would bet 90%+ of people anywhere have no idea how insecure their personal information is.

(whilst Terrorism is the usual justification for using these spying systems, it is not so much what they have been used for as what they are capable of being used used for. Politics at the ultra-national level are dirty and bloodthirsty. The ability to dig dirt on enemies of the establishment at a political level, with no illegal or violent intent or justification, is already being used and abused in 'democracies' worldwide. This is the thin edge of the wedge, but it serves to control the houses of power. The emerging extremism in collapse politics when crossed with this information capability is a real worry. Just for an instance, imagine some religious wacko government getting in deciding everyone who looked at porn was a criminal, including retrospectively.)
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Re: Does America deserve to be free anymore?

Unread postby rangerone314 » Tue 19 Jun 2012, 06:16:52

Democratic systems were doomed soon as the elites started applying Edward Bernay's "Engineering of Consent" theories in practice to political systems.

There is a reason why gay marriage and other topics are used to divide and conquer (and work).
An ideology is by definition not a search for TRUTH-but a search for PROOF that its point of view is right

Equals barter and negotiate-people with power just take

You cant defend freedom by eliminating it-unknown

Our elected reps should wear sponsor patches on their suits so we know who they represent-like Nascar-Roy
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