$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]A mystery object, thought to be a military or law enforcement drone, flying in controlled airspace over Denver almost caused a catastrophic mid air crash with a commercial jet Monday.
The pilot of the Cessna jet radioed air traffic controllers to warn them that “A remote controlled aircraft” had flown past his plane far too close for comfort.
“Something just went by the other way … About 20 to 30 seconds ago. It was like a large remote-controlled aircraft.” the pilot said in the transmission that was captured on the live air traffic audio website liveatc.net.
The craft was reported as being about 8,000 feet above sea level, or about 2,800 feet above the ground, at the time the pilot reported the seeing it. It did not show up on radar.
The type of drones used by NATO typically fly at 10,000 feet and below. Other tactical military drones can fly up to 18,000 feet.
Denver 9News reports that the Federal Aviation Administration is investigating the incident, which it has described as potentially “extremely dangerous.”
“The threat is there from a collision standpoint,” an FAA spokesman said.
In a statement to USA Today, the agency said: “The FAA is investigating the incident and will try to positively identify the object the Citation pilot reported, where it came from and who was operating it.”
Aviation expert and former NTSB investigator Greg Feith told 9News that he believed the object could have been either a military or police drone.
http://www.infowars.com/spy-drone-almost-causes-mid-air-collision-with-jet-over-denver/
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THE Drone Thread (merged)
Unmanned drone almost crashes into commercial jet in Denver
by Sixstrings » Thu 17 May 2012, 19:56:55
Well this is one of those thing where you think surely someone thought all this out beforehand..
Do the drones follow air traffic control procedures? Have instrumentation like a plane does, any collision detection / avoidance? How good are the cameras, can the remote pilot see all around?
I don't know, but if the military / law enforcement flies these around they need to be as safe as other aircraft sharing airspace.
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Re: Unmanned drone almost crashes into commercial jet in Den
by misterno » Sat 19 May 2012, 12:17:12
The problem with drones is not the possibility of crashes with other drones/planes.
It is the new technology that enables drones to see thru office and house windows.
An exciting future is waiting for class action lawsuits.
It is the new technology that enables drones to see thru office and house windows.
An exciting future is waiting for class action lawsuits.
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Re: Unmanned drone almost crashes into commercial jet in Den
by eXpat » Sat 19 May 2012, 12:21:03
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', '
')It is the new technology that enables drones to see thru office and house windows.
')It is the new technology that enables drones to see thru office and house windows.
If you are innocent you have nothing to hide!
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US Police To Arm Domestic Drones
by mattduke » Thu 24 May 2012, 16:25:21
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')rones have been used overseas to target and kill high-level terror leaders and are also being used along the U.S.-Mexico border in the battle against illegal immigration. But now, these drones are starting to be used domestically at an increasing rate.
The Federal Aviation Administration has allowed several police departments to use drones across the U.S. They are controlled from a remote location and use infrared sensors and high-resolution cameras.
Chief Deputy Randy McDaniel of the Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office in Texas told The Daily that his department is considering using rubber bullets and tear gas on its drone.
“Those are things that law enforcement utilizes day in and day out and in certain situations it might be advantageous to have this type of system on the UAV (unmanned aerial vehicle),” McDaniel told The Daily.
The Federal Aviation Administration has allowed several police departments to use drones across the U.S. They are controlled from a remote location and use infrared sensors and high-resolution cameras.
Chief Deputy Randy McDaniel of the Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office in Texas told The Daily that his department is considering using rubber bullets and tear gas on its drone.
“Those are things that law enforcement utilizes day in and day out and in certain situations it might be advantageous to have this type of system on the UAV (unmanned aerial vehicle),” McDaniel told The Daily.
Do you get it yet?
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/05/ ... ic-drones/
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Re: US Police To Arm Domestic Drones
by Sixstrings » Thu 24 May 2012, 16:37:41
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', 'C')hief Deputy Randy McDaniel of the Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office in Texas told The Daily that his department is considering using rubber bullets and tear gas on its drone.
Our courts are failing us, and it's very sad.
This is one of those things that's so obvious, a good SCOTUS should find a reason to declare it unconstitutional. This isn't what America's about -- armed drone police, Jesus.
And here's why this is such a bad idea..
In democracy there is always some friction / healthy give and take between the People and government. In troubled times the People protest, march for civil rights or march for the environment or march for jobs whatever.
At least in the old days, the police were human beings. If we go to using drones then it becomes way too easy to just push a button and shoot a protester from the sky, or a "suspect" for that matter.
Requiring that human beings do policing, and that they be more toned down than the military, that's what protects our rights. Even with humans we've still had rare incidents like Kent State in our history -- but with drones it all becomes way too easy, you're detaching humanity from the use of force. This is a huge ethical cliff.
Also with human police, and never using the military on our own citizens domestically, when we do get civil disturbance there's some give and take. If people are protesting in the streets long enough then eventually somebody in government decides to maybe address the problems. This is what America has always been about, from union-pinkerton clashes to war vets camped out protesting Hoover in the Depression. If somebody can just push a darn button and unleash a fleet of robot drones that's not good.
People need to THINK about where this is headed. What if you're stopped one day by an aerial police drone -- DO YOU WANT TO DEAL WITH THE DRONE OR A HUMAN BEING?
What if the drone makes a mistake? What if you're targeted mistakenly, like a software glitch or human error back in some cubicle ten states away?
It's really bad stuff, but there's nobody in government or the courts who will say this crosses the line.
Good find, but this will get merged and buried in the THE Drone thread.
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