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Re: I don't recommend this site

Postby Rune » Thu 26 Apr 2012, 17:02:48

The majority of people who I mention the idea of peak oil to during a conversation, poo-poo the idea because they are aware of current trends in the oil industry and in increasing efficiency. I have only met one or two people in my meat life who have been concerned about it even in a minor way.

Sites like PO.com tend to attract those who like apocalyptic ideas. The rest blow it off if they don't feel like arguing the contrary case. As a result, PO.com and Malthusia.com and TheOilDrum.com tend to cluster those who back up each other's doomeristic biases. If you never go anywhere or investigate opposing views, you gather the impression that EVERYONE is some form of doomer.

Of course, there are always exceptions - such as people like myself who read both sides of an issue and argue accordingly.

I ALWAYS recommend PO.com.
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Re: I don't recommend this site

Postby vision-master » Thu 26 Apr 2012, 17:11:21

See spot run........ lol
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Re: I don't recommend this site

Postby ralfy » Thu 26 Apr 2012, 23:12:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seenmostofit', '
')Oh, there is certainly confusion, and there is certainly a back and forth nature to the topic. The ebb and flow is apparent to even a neophyte, reading the articles and posts and concerns circa 2005, versus the same type of sampling of such things today.


There's no "back and forth nature to the topic," just a move in one direction: from illusion (e.g., rosy forecasts of the future circa 2005) to reality (reports coming in from 2005 onward revealing otherwise). Confusion comes in only when shills incorrectly read the issue and then give the usual errors (e.g., ignoring EROEI, looking at what is technically recoverable rather than the extraction rate, ignoring historical flow rates, ignoring petrochemicals and other requirements for mass manufacturing, mechanized agriculture, and even "renewable" energy), thus creating the notion that there is some sort of "ebb and flow".
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Re: I don't recommend this site

Postby steam_cannon » Fri 27 Apr 2012, 10:30:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'A')nd, yet, you "Joined: 07 Dec 2004," and, now, in 2012, you are still posting here.

I rebuild and fix brand problems for websites. I gave my opinion as an industry expert on what this website needs to do to stop driving people away. Feel free to remove my account if you think I don't belong here.

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Re: I don't recommend this site

Postby vision-master » Fri 27 Apr 2012, 10:54:53

Brand problems? lsol

Nice haircut.........
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Re: I don't recommend this site

Postby SeaGypsy » Fri 27 Apr 2012, 11:02:30

Perhaps the lack of ability to present a "Clear statement of identity" is not such a bad thing? One thing draws me here more than other sites in the same vein is the range and contrast across the political spectrum. Over the years the evolution of thought seen in thoughtful posters on both sides of politics in general, through open confrontation, over key human topics of our age; this is what 'makes' Peakoil.com special. The mods willingly take on keeping us all here from each other's throats, whilst totally divergent views in the same threads are the norm. Kinda cool. 8)
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Re: I don't recommend this site

Postby evilgenius » Fri 27 Apr 2012, 11:23:52

I don't recommend this site either. I have in the past, only to hear from people that they don't like it. Curiously, I have run across people here and there in the real world who have mentioned this site. Mostly they are lurkers. Many of them have been coming here for a while. Very few of them ever post anything. It might not be a bad idea to put up some content that dedicated lurkers might enjoy.

Personally, I like that we talk about almost anything here. I'm glad that this is the place where things like an undulating plateau were talked about, back when it was a new idea. I don't like how sometimes, in my opinion, this site is over moderated. Neither do I like how discussion can devolve sometimes into what for an outsider must look more like playground chatter than anything meaningful. In both cases, again, some general content like The Energy Bulletin has would be a good idea as it would leave visitors with message specific memories that might bring them back rather than wondering about a place that is full of won't back down posturing and childish arguments.
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Re: I don't recommend this site

Postby vision-master » Fri 27 Apr 2012, 11:33:10

Ain't our language great, it focuses on the negative.
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Re: I don't recommend this site

Postby SeaGypsy » Fri 27 Apr 2012, 11:53:32

Some linguists say that English has become so dominant mainly because of it's application in business law. Business is about cost versus profit. Put the cart before the horse, all you get is a confused and bruised horse. Or dreamland. Realists are forced to deal in negatives, the pejorative mandatory to business in the real world. Pixie dust etc aside.
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Re: I don't recommend this site

Postby steam_cannon » Fri 27 Apr 2012, 14:00:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'P')erhaps the lack of ability to present a "Clear statement of identity" is not such a bad thing? One thing draws me here more than other sites in the same vein is the range and contrast across the political spectrum. Over the years the evolution of thought seen in thoughtful posters on both sides of politics in general, through open confrontation, over key human topics of our age; this is what 'makes' Peakoil.com special. The mods willingly take on keeping us all here from each other's throats, whilst totally divergent views in the same threads are the norm. Kinda cool. 8)

Yes, discussion is great and I think that should be make up the bulk of the content in the site. But user experience is also important. Most people who come here are not looking for a place to a argue and we've been arguing for quite a few years now, shouldn't we have some things figured out? People google peak oil looking for some definition and concrete information. This website comes up, they click on it and they see two columns of random news articles and random discussion topics. It's totally undigestible, unless you're a maniac and read the whole shabang like many of us, this site is just a quagmire.

People coming here are looking for reliable boiled down information and statistics. Most of these statistics are not up for debate any more then the evolution of wolves into dogs is up for debate. We should have pages dedicated to reliable content. Peakoil.com has a pr 6 out of 10, we should have some encyclopedia quality content. As it stands, peakoil.com is the 4chan of the oil industry. All discussion, nothing agreed on and all random content. That's fine for a 2004 website, but I think we can do better then that.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'N')ice haircut.........
Thanks, I like that show. :P
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Re: I don't recommend this site

Postby vision-master » Fri 27 Apr 2012, 14:27:30

steam_cannon, Peak Oil is only one of the many problem we face in the near future. It's how 'we' embrace 'peak oil' that causes arguing.

Threads like LENR cause most ppl here to react violently, why?

Is LENR disscused over @ the oil drum? If not, why?
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Re: I don't recommend this site

Postby kublikhan » Fri 27 Apr 2012, 15:54:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'T')hreads like LENR cause most ppl here to react violently, why?
Our main LENR "news reporter" here attacks anyone who posts anything negative about LENR. Such a poor attitude does not encourage friendly discussion, nor is it in line with our new code of conduct here.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'I')s LENR disscused over @ the oil drum? If not, why?
Sure, the topic has come up from time to time. here's a few links:
The Return of Cold Fusion

The E-Cat loses steam

They are not very positive on the E-Cat however:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')o direct evidence for a nuclear reaction inside the device has been reported, as would be, for instance, the emission of gamma rays. The set up for the heat measurements looks inadequate and amateurish; the results are unclear and repeatability has not been demonstrated. It appears legitimate to think that the claim of "cold fusion" by Rossi and Focardi rests on poor evidence, or even or no evidence at all.

Overall, Peter Ekstrom has a convincing point when he shows that the E-Cat is not producing any excess heat. As an answer, Rossi could find nothing better than calling Ekstrom "a clown". This answer was subsequently deleted from Rossi's blog, but it can still be found on the web, for instance here. This is just an example Mr. Rossi's general attitude regarding those who criticize him.

It seems that the E-Cat story is rapidly moving to the realm of 'pathological science' . Grand claims of scientific revolutions supported by little or no evidence, ambitious recipes on how to save the world by some miracle machinery, gobbledygook masked as scientific theorizing, ad hominem insults to non-believers, etc.; it is a well-known pattern. From now on, we may expect to see another wave of conspiracy theorizing related to the E-cat.
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Re: I don't recommend this site

Postby Rune » Fri 27 Apr 2012, 16:31:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kublikhan', 'T')hey are not very positive on the E-Cat however

TheOilDrum, too, only ever mentions Rossi, who is the easiest to attack. But there are five other companies looking to commercialize soon. And there are many scientific papers that have been published recently that establish the existence of excess heat beyond any possible chemical reaction.

See Tom Whipple's latest piece: The Peak Oil Crisis: The Quantum Fusion Hypothesis
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here have been so many of these reports by reliable and respected scientists that it has become absurd to claim that the phenomenon is fraudulent or that all these scientists are mistaken in their observations. Currently there are at least six different organizations around the world saying they have a commercially useful heat-producing device under development which they will be demonstrating soon.

To the comfort of skeptics, most of these organizations have been very circumspect in releasing details of their devices and the physics behind them. There are, of course several reasons for this reticence. Some may hope to keep their heat-producing secret as long as possible in hopes of making money from their discovery. More likely, however, is that while they have developed a way to produce heat, they really don't understand the physics underlying their device.

This situation however seems to be changing following a lengthy interview with a fellow out in Berkeley, California by the name of Robert Godes of Brillouin Energy. He has been working in this field for the last ten years and says that he not only has a reliable heat-producing device, but also understands the physics behind it – which he calls the Quantum Fusion Hypothesis. He says that this theory of just how low-energy nuclear reactions work has allowed the development of a device which produces heat immediately and reliably. Most interestingly, Godes says he has shared his insights with scientists at the Los Alamos Nuclear Laboratories and SRI International, one of the leading US laboratories investigating the phenomenon. He says that both have verified that his theory does indeed work and that they can now produce heat from hydrogen every time they try.


Tom Whipple is a pretty good reporter too.
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Re: I don't recommend this site

Postby spot5050 » Tue 01 May 2012, 19:59:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seenmostofit', '1')3,000+ posts? What is that, like half a lifetime of hammering away at a keyboard? With that much invested already, leaving is the last thing you should do. They say that you need like 10,000 hours invested in something to be as good as anyone else at it. Depending on your typing speed, I would say that you might already be there!

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Re: I don't recommend this site

Postby spot5050 » Tue 01 May 2012, 20:04:20

Does theoildrum have a forum?
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Re: I don't recommend this site

Postby spot5050 » Tue 01 May 2012, 21:00:34

The name's pstarr, uber-troll extraordinaire, at your service. 13k posts and counting.
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