Gas prices won't deter RV owners
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')igh gasoline prices may affect a lot of drivers but recreational vehicle owners and potential buyers say they're not part of that mix.
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RV owners exempt from peak oil
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RV owners exempt from peak oil
by seldom_seen » Fri 03 Jun 2005, 03:41:04
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')oug Weatherly, sales manager for Detroit Diesel, a major engine supplier for motor homes, said most RVers who stopped by his booth at a recent convention wanted to discuss technical issues, not fuel economy.
"Fuel efficiency in this market is not an issue," he said.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')Let's face it," he said. "People are not buying RVs because they think they're going to get 25 miles to the gallon. People are realistic."
The high-end models get between 5 and 6 miles per gallon.
If you're reading some material by Campbell or Deffeyes or Simmons, you may notice some fine print at the bottom of the page that says "none of this information applies to RV owners."
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by linlithgowoil » Fri 03 Jun 2005, 05:55:21
5 miles to the gallon? holy crap. with petrol prices where i am at about 85pence per litre (£3.86 or $7.14 a gallon), it would cost me £77 to travel 100 miles in one of those things!
petrol is at about $2.15 a gallon in the US now? so that means it would cost $43 to travel 100 miles or £23.20 ish.
That is still a huge amount of money! Though i suppose people who can afford those huge things dont really mind about that and they only use them a few times a year, but still - that is woefully expensive.
petrol is at about $2.15 a gallon in the US now? so that means it would cost $43 to travel 100 miles or £23.20 ish.
That is still a huge amount of money! Though i suppose people who can afford those huge things dont really mind about that and they only use them a few times a year, but still - that is woefully expensive.
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RV not the real problem
by dhfenton » Fri 03 Jun 2005, 10:50:09
RV are an example of extravagance; but they are not the real problem. An RV is not driven frequently; they sit more often than they are driven. An RV taking atrip south in the fall, and north in the spring is not really the cause of our energy problems. The root of oour energy problems is millions of cars lined up bumper to bumper commuting into urban areas 280 or so work days per year. These are usually single occupant vehicles, moving along at ten miles per hour due to congestion, buring millions upon millions of gas per day. Every 50 of these vehicles could be replaced by one bus, or hundreds of them could be replaced by one train; but we insist upon driving to work solo because our gasoline is subsidized by the government. Until the daily commute changes we're screwed, and I don't think RV have a whole lot to do with our energy situation as a whole. One of the reasons I'm not as pessamistic as most about Peak Oil is that the daily commute can be changed very quickly, if the government forces the issue. One of the reasons I'm less optamistic about our future is that I don't see government doing that. I see government waging global war to defend the status quo; which obviously isn't good.
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by pea-jay » Fri 03 Jun 2005, 18:15:39
and in a pinch, a diesel powered motorhome could relocate to more survivable locations with less fuss.
Toss in a biodiesel brew kit and things would be even more flexible.
Toss in a biodiesel brew kit and things would be even more flexible.
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by Tyler_JC » Fri 03 Jun 2005, 19:02:36
You're forgetten that some people live inside these things. We save energy because they don't need to heat their homes in the winter (drive to Florida) and they use a lot less A/C in the summer (drive to Canada). Also, they use less electricity (fewer appliances) and don't require a lot of other resources for building a house. If everyone lived in RVs/trailers, we might actually cut down on energy use.
Unfortunately, I think the economy would fall apart if we migrated north in the summer and south in the winter...
Unfortunately, I think the economy would fall apart if we migrated north in the summer and south in the winter...
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by seldom_seen » Fri 03 Jun 2005, 19:13:32
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilyMon', 'W')ho cares?
The message in this article to me is, don't plan on any sort of collective, organized powerdown. It's full throttle 'til we charge right off the cliff. "I won't stop driving my RV until you pry my cold dead fingers from the steering wheel."
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dhfenton', 'A')n RV is not driven frequently; they sit more often than they are driven.
[From the article] "This isn't just something I do for a weekend or so out of the year," said Glen Murray, 68, of Armada, who was checking out new motor homes displayed at Gibraltar Trade Center last week. "This is something that I do for at least half the year. I do it here and in Arizona, so I guess while I think the gas prices are going to sting it's not like I'm going to let that stop me."
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pea-jay', 'i')n a pinch, a diesel powered motorhome could relocate to more survivable locations with less fuss.
That is a good idea, until you become target practice for a bunch of pissed off post-peak have-nots.
