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Brother is Watching... & Taking Notes

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Re: Brother is Watching... & Taking Notes

Unread postby Ibon » Tue 31 Jan 2012, 16:29:30

One only has themselves to blame if they expose themselves on the internet with controversial postings. Read your history on McCarthyism. They investigated up to 20 years in the past of authors, academics and actors proving their affiliation with communism. And that was in the days when everything wasn't archived in a digital media.

I am feeling so much better since I have removed the internet as a source of social interaction.

Analog revolution anyone?
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Re: Brother is Watching... & Taking Notes

Unread postby dorlomin » Tue 31 Jan 2012, 17:17:19

If you do have a facebook account with your real name and a well known email address keep it for your family and all those nice happy "happy birthday mum" type status updates.

If you do want to discuss falling out a pub on the lash with your mates dont have your real name and have a email address without your name on it (like peakdoomer@yahoo.com than billsmith@yagoo.com).

That said automated photographic identification may make that less anonomous but hey ho, thems the modern life.

In terms of the state, well they can watch your movement by your mobile, if they have the right warrent they can keep an eye on which base stations pick you up. They can check where you shop using plastic and with the increase in RFIDs you are becoming even more watched.

Ill not be suprised if encrypted peer to peer darknets dont become more mainstream in the coming years though.

And one piece of advice always be logged out of Google when searching. They retain a certain amount of info on you to add some personal parameters to the Google searches, this means the information is being tailored and can be lead to a narrowing of your results. Ill take it as a given everyone knows the results are shaped anyway (like how wikipedia is almost always the top result).
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Re: Brother is Watching... & Taking Notes

Unread postby careinke » Tue 31 Jan 2012, 18:16:46

If the FBI buys the spy program, it would be fun to encourage EVERY ONE to use their key words as much as possible, thereby nullifying the usefulness of the program. Could be fun.
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Re: Brother is Watching... & Taking Notes

Unread postby dorlomin » Tue 31 Jan 2012, 18:28:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shaved Monkey', 'T')he words deemed as being sensitive by the DHS include:
Illegal immigrant
Outbreak
Drill
Strain
Virus
Recovery
Deaths
Collapse
Human to animal
Trojan

So basically one in two Daily Mail headlines will set this buzzer off..... :razz: Chuck in 'Diana' and 'Cancer' and youd get about 99% of them.
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Re: Brother is Watching... & Taking Notes

Unread postby dinopello » Tue 31 Jan 2012, 18:32:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'I') am feeling so much better since I have removed the internet as a source of social interaction. Analog revolution anyone?

You can join the Amish Project
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')ould you live without daily electronic conveniences -- Twitter, Facebook, email, texting and more -- for 90 days? Jake P. Reilly, a 24-year-old copywriting student at the Chicago Portfolio School, did just that.

90 days ? The horror ! :lol:
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Re: Brother is Watching... & Taking Notes

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Tue 31 Jan 2012, 18:34:31

That's the stupid thing about electronic surveillance. Really these words are so common it's ridiculous to think someone is going to physically analyse anything based on keyword popups alone. There has to be layered filtering with degree of likelihood of threat weighed. It seems the system works in terms of restraining planning and orchestration, by morons. It seems doubtfull all the effort in this area would actually have any chance of preventing serious attack by intelligent adversaries.
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Re: Brother is Watching... & Taking Notes

Unread postby Loki » Tue 31 Jan 2012, 23:18:22

I used to be far more careful about my Web activities, but have gotten lazy the last couple years. At the very least I'll be logging out of Google and switching my search engine to Startpage (thanks Novus). I'll continue using Gmail, but my email activity is minimal anyways.

I'm a private person. And I have a powerful distrust of large corporations. I really dislike the notion of a monster transnational corporation like Google making a permanent digital record of everything I do on the Web.
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Re: Brother is Watching... & Taking Notes

Unread postby misterno » Mon 20 Feb 2012, 16:43:32

If you don't like google how come you like startpage.com? It says on the front page that startpage.com is enhanced by google

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Re: Brother is Watching... & Taking Notes

Unread postby Ibon » Fri 13 Apr 2012, 11:54:58

So you think the internet is a forum where freedom to express revolutionary ideas is possible? Think again

http://act.demandprogress.org/sign/cisp ... ?source=fb

I have an honest question for you all. About 9 months ago I stated that I would no longer post on sensitive topics. I was called somewhat paranoid by a few here on this site.

So coming to my question......if we all know brother is watching then this certainly affects the quality of the discourse since any position that could be remotely construed as provocative to the status quo can be scrutinized as destabilizing and therefore put you on a list.

So the question..... Why do we use the internet if the only information available is that which we ourselves are censoring?

I am not the only one who has stopped posting on topics that could be considered provocative......

This medium is compromised.
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Re: Brother is Watching... & Taking Notes

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Fri 13 Apr 2012, 20:16:51

Whether one stops posting anything 'radical' doesn't delete the online past. These systems have existed for over 10 years now, if you have ever mouthed something extreme it can be dug up and used. I would have thought it more suspicious to go quiet, were one disposed to positions antagonistic to the mainstream? It is an act of faith in government to speak openly against it, paradoxically. As a person not predisposed to violence I don't feel I have much self censoring to do. As a person who wants the government to continue self introspection, writing critically of it is something I see as a duty.

Another issue I share with you Ibon, is where you often move through other countries. The way we self reflect in our home cultures compared to how we are perceived by others can be vastly different. The experience of being an expat is almost like having to be another person. We then have three personas in effect, the one at home, the expat and the online personalities. The first and second can be restrained, kept somewhat separate, the online not necessarily so.

I doubt the full master key to the internet is about to be given to the Panama or Philippines governments any time soon. Compared to how much self censorship I have to do as a person in the Philippines, I speak very freely on the net. Journalism is a seriously deadly profession.
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Re: Brother is Watching... & Taking Notes

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Fri 13 Apr 2012, 21:30:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'Q')uit your job and stop feeding the machine is the only way to win. Big Brother will fall under his own rot if we let it.

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One of the main reasons I quit my lucrative (but pain in the ass) tech job at IBM.

I was NOT going to fund the wars, the endless regulations, and the endless wealth redistribution to people healthier than I am any more while working 70 to 80 hour weeks.

Sadly, few people have the means OR the willingness to do that, regardless of how they feel about the principle.
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Re: Brother is Watching... & Taking Notes

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Fri 13 Apr 2012, 21:35:41

I'll admit to doing Google searches. (The older I get the better such searches help with memory lapses when wanting to cite a book or article, for example).

However, unless it becomes IMPOSSIBLE to live in society and buy things like food and heat my house, I will be DAMNED if I will join (and thus help) ANY of the crap like Facebook or anything of that ilk.

Discussions on forums like here, Seeking Alpha, etc. is as far as I'll go.
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Re: Brother is Watching... & Taking Notes

Unread postby AgentR11 » Fri 13 Apr 2012, 21:42:56

Far as I'm concerned, Big Bro is cool. He keeps the grain and t-bones flowing.

I'm sure climate, wars, poverty, etc are just temporary oversights...
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Re: Brother is Watching... & Taking Notes

Unread postby Ibon » Sat 14 Apr 2012, 16:02:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '.') As a person who wants the government to continue self introspection, writing critically of it is something I see as a duty.


Government acts mostly within the confines of the interests of entities that are not in the least interested in introspection but very much interested in power and control which is what surveillance over citizenry is all about.

Like a chess game where one anticipates many moves in advance, it is better to move cloaked like a chameleon rather than expose yourself unnecessarily.

In these early stages this must sound somewhat paranoid, I know. The trend however points toward draconian invasions into our privacy.

How many of us except AgentR11 truly have nothing to hide?
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Re: Brother is Watching... & Taking Notes

Unread postby Ibon » Sat 14 Apr 2012, 16:14:07

And here is some descriptive prose I couldn't help bringing into this thread. Off topic but relevant perhaps as it raises an interesting question regarding the real integrity of what we do here on this information highway.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')onnections have grown broader but shallower, as has happened for many of us. We are living in an isolation that would have been unimaginable to our ancestors, and yet we have never been more accessible. Over the past three decades, technology has delivered to us a world in which we need not be out of contact for a fraction of a moment. Yet within this world of instant and absolute communication, unbounded by limits of time or space, we suffer from unprecedented alienation. We have never been more detached from one another, or lonelier. In a world consumed by ever more novel modes of socializing, we have less and less actual society. We live in an accelerating contradiction: the more connected we become, the lonelier we are. We were promised a global village; instead we inhabit the drab cul-de-sacs and endless freeways of a vast suburb of information.


http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc ... 0.facebook
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Re: Brother is Watching... & Taking Notes

Unread postby Loki » Sat 14 Apr 2012, 19:31:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '
')I have an honest question for you all. About 9 months ago I stated that I would no longer post on sensitive topics. I was called somewhat paranoid by a few here on this site.

James Rawles had a post recently claiming that the FBI had hacked his site and were tracking some of his readers. I certainly wouldn't put it past them.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t has come to my attention that from August of 2011 to November of 2011, the FBI secretly redirected the web traffic of more than 10% of SurvivalBlog's US visitors through CJIS, their sprawling data center situated on 900 acres, 10 miles from Clarksburg, West Virginia. There, the Feebees surreptitiously collected the IP addresses of my site visitors. In all, 4,906 of 35,494 selected connections ended up going to or through the FBI servers. (Note that this happened several months before we moved our primary server to Sweden.) Furthermore, we discovered that the FBI attached a long-lived cookie that allowed them to track the sites that readers subsequently visited. I suspect that the FBI has done the same to hundreds of other web sites.

http://survivalblog.com/2012/03/importa ... ative.html
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Re: Brother is Watching... & Taking Notes

Unread postby AgentR11 » Sat 14 Apr 2012, 19:49:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'H')ow many of us except AgentR11 truly have nothing to hide?


I think that's a little unfair. Besides, its not quite a question of whether one has something to hide, rather its coming to the conclusion that you don't give a flip whether anyone knows "it", or not. I just assume Big Bro knows every tiny detail of my life and thoughts, and as long as Big Bro don't care, that I don't care, its all good.

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Re: Brother is Watching... & Taking Notes

Unread postby Newfie » Sat 14 Apr 2012, 20:46:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'Q')uit your job and stop feeding the machine is the only way to win. Big Brother will fall under his own rot if we let it.
+1 One of the main reasons I quit my lucrative (but pain in the ass) tech job at IBM. ... Sadly, few people have the means OR the willingness to do that, regardless of how they feel about the principle.

WHO IS JOHN GALT?

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')tlas Shrugged is a novel by Ayn Rand, first published in 1957 in the United States. Rand's fourth and last novel, it was also her longest, and the one she considered to be her magnum opus in the realm of fiction writing.[1] Atlas Shrugged includes elements of mystery and science fiction,[2] and it contains Rand's most extensive statement of Objectivism in any of her works of fiction.

The book explores a dystopian United States where many of society's most productive citizens refuse to be exploited by increasing taxation and government regulations and disappear. They are led by John Galt. Galt describes the strike as "stopping the motor of the world" by withdrawing the minds that drive society's growth and productivity. In their efforts, these people "of the mind" hope to demonstrate that a world in which the individual is not free to create is doomed, that civilization cannot exist where every person is a slave to society and government, and that the destruction of the profit motive leads to the collapse of society. The protagonist, Dagny Taggart, sees society collapse around her as the government increasingly asserts control over all industry.
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Re: Brother is Watching... & Taking Notes

Unread postby Ibon » Sun 15 Apr 2012, 11:23:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'H')ow many of us except AgentR11 truly have nothing to hide?


I think that's a little unfair. Besides, its not quite a question of whether one has something to hide, rather its coming to the conclusion that you don't give a flip whether anyone knows "it", or not. I just assume Big Bro knows every tiny detail of my life and thoughts, and as long as Big Bro don't care, that I don't care, its all good.

Privacy is a fantasy.


Just a little unfair then. OK. In fact you are probably wise to follow a somewhat chameleon path of staying off the radar of Big Bro. But we all have to acknowledge that this chameleon approach already represents the early adaptation of a post democracy era that we are beginning to see unfold taking the government invasion of privacy as an example.

So in this way we are already compromised when we make the wise choice to stay below the radar. Which brings me back to my main point that this medium is compromised.

This becomes a boring uninteresting post not because of what I say but rather because of what I am forced to hold back.

So again, my point, why bother? Surely not because I am lonely and feeling somewhat socially isolated, right?
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Re: Brother is Watching... & Taking Notes

Unread postby davep » Sun 15 Apr 2012, 11:40:00

Ibon, you could use Tor browsing and create a new account for when you want to express yourself more fully.

Or i2p http://www.i2p2.de/
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