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Re: Independent presidential candidate

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 12 Apr 2012, 20:16:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')Obama, on the other hand, isn't too "presidential" but is very intelligent.


Give me a break.

Obama is such a dunce he doesn't even know that the Supreme court has been overturning laws passed by Congress ever since the Constitution was ratified. And when it comes to math---Obama is such an innumerate dope he claims the 5 billion he would raise in a year by the Buffett rule would offset the 1.4 trillion dollars of deficit he wants to create with his budget...

Bzzzt---even after 8 years in DC this guy is still very ignorant about how the US government works. Even more telling--- Obama can't even do simple math---not even close. His math is off by more than 99.5%. :roll:
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Re: Independent presidential candidate

Unread postby Lore » Thu 12 Apr 2012, 20:34:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'O')bama is such an innumerate dope he claims the 5 billion he would raise in a year by the Buffett rule would offset the 1.4 trillion dollars of deficit he wants to create with his budget...


Really, got a reference to back up that exact statement?
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Re: Independent presidential candidate

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 12 Apr 2012, 20:52:25

Do the math yourself. Ok, OK---I'll help you.

Start with the fact that Obama claims the Buffett rule would raise 40-50 billion dollars. Of course, he doesn't honestly admit that he is counting over 10 years, so its ca. 4-5 billion a year.

I said 5 billion just to be generous.

Take Obama's deficit----he's setting records every month now as the federal deficit is running over 200 billion a month for jan and feb, but lets be generous again and say the deficit settles in close to a typical obama annual deficit at ca. 1.4 trillion.

5 billion is less than 0.5% of Obama's deficit spending.

Obama's claims that the "buffett rule" will do anything at all significant to fix the deficit problem are wrong. Very wrong.

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OK---I did a google search to find an outside source for you. Here's what FORBES says about Obama's buffet rule plan:

Obama’s own Treasury Department projects that the Buffett Rule tax would raise only about $5 billion a year, less than one half of one percent of the deficit for this year. Over the next 10 years, it raises less than 0.1% of the $47 trillion President Obama proposes to spend in his 2013 budget.

Their numbers suggest Obama's math is even farther off than I suggested. Doing the math in my head, I estimated Obama was off by 99.5% but FORBES has him missing the mark by 99.9%.
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Re: Independent presidential candidate

Unread postby Lore » Thu 12 Apr 2012, 20:57:24

He is claiming, tax fairness, not that it will resolve the deficit.
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Re: Independent presidential candidate

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 12 Apr 2012, 21:39:54

Hi Lore:

Obama has repeatedly claimed the taxes from the Buffertt rule would help offset the deficit. Did you miss his big presser on cutting the deficit? Obama's announces Buffet rule in his deficit reduction plan

But anyone who checks his math, no matter where they lie on the political spectrum, quickly realizes that Obama is way way way wrong. The Buffet plan will only bring in 0.01-0.05% of what is really needed---all Obama has done with the Buffett plan is show he can't do math!

Even honest liberal democrats are forced to admit that obama can't do math. Check this out: Liberal democrat excoriates Obama for his claim that taxes from the Buffett rule will offset his huge deficits

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Re: Independent presidential candidate

Unread postby Lore » Thu 12 Apr 2012, 22:58:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'H')i Lore:

Obama has repeatedly claimed the taxes from the Buffertt rule would help offset the deficit. Did you miss his big presser on cutting the deficit? Obama's announces Buffet rule in his deficit reduction plan

But anyone who checks his math, no matter where they lie on the political spectrum, quickly realizes that Obama is way way way wrong. The Buffet plan will only bring in 0.01-0.05% of what is really needed---all Obama has done with the Buffett plan is show he can't do math!

Even honest liberal democrats are forced to admit that obama can't do math. Check this out: Liberal democrat excoriates Obama for his claim that taxes from the Buffett rule will offset his huge deficits


Hi Plantagenet....

Any amount of revenue raising or cost cutting will help the deficit. However, unless you completely gut Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and or the Military budget while raising the tax base, none of that will have much of an impact. The latter of which our politicians have yet to figure out, while not leaving the majority of our citizens hanging out to dry.

Ponder that on the tree of woe.
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Re: Independent presidential candidate

Unread postby radon » Fri 13 Apr 2012, 07:10:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', ' ')we'll be out of Iran soon
:-D Quite a prediction.
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Re: Independent presidential candidate

Unread postby Sixstrings » Fri 13 Apr 2012, 12:03:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'Y')ou're giving the exact reasons why he was a great and principled man. Reagen was strong because he fed into the Zeitgeist of his party, as actors are trained to do. So, would you rather have a faker or the real deal?


I'm just fair and objective. Reagan, and his counterpart Thatcher for that matter, get points for a lot of things but there was bad as well.

The Cold War was serious business. Reagan handled it superbly. We outspent the Russians and drove the Soviet Union to bankruptcy and dissolution -- Reagan WON the Cold War, you have to give him that. Star Wars was always a bunch of BS decades before its time, but Reagan the "actor" sure fooled the Soviets.

The ultimate problem with someone like a Reagan or Thatcher is that they're the right answer for when the pendulum has gone too far to the left, too much socialism, but you can't forget that too far in the other direction is actually worse. And that's what wound up happening.. Reagan's ideas bought decades of what seemed like prosperity and growth but dig beneath the surface and you'll see the American family being destroyed with both parents having to work, divorces skyrocketed, black families REALLY fell apart.

The initial "prosperity" of globalism was just eating our seed corn, now we're dealing with the aftermath and a hollowed out country with nothing to export but ideas, Facebook games, and inflation -- unfortunately these sectors do no provide tens of millions of living wage jobs that can support a family.
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Re: Independent presidential candidate

Unread postby Sixstrings » Fri 13 Apr 2012, 12:04:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('radon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', ' ')we'll be out of Iran soon
:-D Quite a prediction.
Afghanistan, you meant?


Freudian slip. :lol:
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Re: Independent presidential candidate

Unread postby Sixstrings » Fri 13 Apr 2012, 12:20:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'G')ive me a break.

Obama is such a dunce he doesn't even know that the Supreme court has been overturning laws passed by Congress ever since the Constitution was ratified.


Actually I was disappointed when Obama came out and clarified his remarks, and stressed that of course he will respect SCOTUS decisions blah blah.

The fact is..

The president is an equal branch of government and he's totally free to harangue, criticize, and call the SCOTUS out for being partisan scoundrels. Read your history.

Andrew Jackson once said something like "that's a fine decision, let THEM enforce it." That was the Cherokee Indian case.. Jackson simply ignored the ruling and force marched the Cherokee on the trail of tears. That's an example of going too far, Plant, Obama isn't ignoring rulings he's just exercising his constitutional free speech.

FDR trying to pack the supreme court.. maybe that was going too far.. but FDR's threats worked and he got most of his programs upheld, PEOPLE WERE FRICKIN STARVING IN THE GREAT DEPRESSION the times were HORRIBLE and Republicans did not give a damn.

Plant, the SCOTUS is not God. We have three equal branches of government for a reason.. if one gets too out of control, the system is designed for one or the other branch to step in. SCOTUS rulings must be followed of course, but any president is free to call them out and shame them and expose their questionable personal political ties to Tea Party groups etc.

Republicans are something else, honestly, for so many years they complained about activist judges -- now with this court, Republicans want us to just be quiet and let them legislate from the bench (they're even using Tea Party lingo and talking points, one federal judge called the health reform law "Obamacare.")

Plant, judges aren't perfect we MUST have free speech at least. About a month ago, there was one federal judge who was sending racist Obama jokes from his court email. :roll: Nothing you can do about it, lifetime appointment -- we need free speech at minimum as a check on their power, and that right to free speech includes the President.
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Re: Independent presidential candidate

Unread postby rangerone314 » Fri 13 Apr 2012, 22:43:11

This American civilization will fail, because the political system has baked-in corruption. It is like a really old person, when their arteries are clogged up from too much cholesterol and a lifetime of bad habits. The system is not geared to produce strong 3rd parties or independent categories, only our dysfunctional 2-party system.

The American political and economic systems are done, stick a fork in it. Inertia will continue for a while, then it will fall apart like the house of cards that it is.
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