[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', 'Y')ou can dream all you want, but those points won't go away.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'P')eak oil was interesting to a few of us, but never really caught on with the mainstream of society. It's too rational. Most people want to blame their circumstances on politics or find some scapegoat. They can't handle the truth.

[eXpat]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('no_wuckin_ferries_mate', 'O')nce there was a German peakoil forum: http://peak-oil-forum.de It is still there, however, almost dead and down to 1 or 2 posts per day. People have just disappeared. I guess it will be the same here.

[dolanbaker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', 'W')e are not that far away, here may be a two digits number posts per day.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', '[')b]Health care is a necessity, as seen in most parts of the world. Sorry, facts are sometimes unpleasant. And the other points I raised earlier are also taking place. You can dream all you want, but those points won't go away.

[no_wuckin_ferries_mate]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('no_wuckin_ferries_mate', 'O')nce there was a German peakoil forum: http://peak-oil-forum.de It is still there, however, almost dead and down to 1 or 2 posts per day. People have just disappeared. I guess it will be the same here.

[eXpat]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('no_wuckin_ferries_mate', ' ')Expat, bist du vielleicht der Expat aus dem deutschen PO-Forum? Ich schrieb dort unter der deutschen Version des Namens des englischen Thronfolgers. Wie läufts den in SE Asia. Ich dachte, du wolltest mal auf ein Bier in Sydney vorbeikommen.

Auf Grund deiner damaligen Schilderungen des Lebens in SE Asia habe ich mir das bei diversen Zwischenlandungen mal angeguckt und finde es inzwischen sehr interessant. HIer sind auch noch zweie aus dem ausgestorbenen deutschen PO-Forum: MBS und Cepha.
Ciao
K.

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '
')
Why would I think they go away? I agree with those other points.
Disagree with you on health care though. People can generally live well past reproductive requirement without ever having contact with a doctor. That defines it as not being a necessity. We might think of it as a human right, or an ethical mandate, but it is not a physically required service.

[drgoodword]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'T')hen the domain name will be snapped up and peakoil.com will be a porn site (that happened to a local non-profit).

[dorlomin]

Health of the website and 'its not as good as it used to be' is a perenial discussion on all websites. But I think that the economic crisis took a lot of peoples attentions away from the underlying structural issues in our societies and economies I also think that since Libyia energy is coming much more back into focus as one of the underlying concerns.

Today we are in a kind of holding pattern, discussing the minutia of how the economy is unfolding and picking the bones out of the post Lehman world.

But it was here I first seen those wacky predictions that the US housing market would signal a massive financial collapse. Aint looking so wacky in the rear view mirror.
It is also here where I first heard of fracking for tight gas.
It was here where I first heard of the export land model.
And many other issues like watching the problems in the downstream parts of the industry like the refinaries struggling.
Personally I believe this website is sucha unique angle of the current state of the world that most of the current user base will remain and as energy comes back into focus it will begin picking up newer people again.

Those people will also be far more psychologically able to absorb the idea of sudden and even catastrophic changes than they were 6 years ago. People have seen that the post 70s fluffy world of constant growth and wealth is not some 'end of history' but just a lull before the storm.

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', 'I')f you agree with my other points, then you'll realize that they very much put into question your argument that people will pay for luxuries than for health care.

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'I')f I didn't see it every freaking day, I might agree with this assertion of yours, but people on the margins very much will pay for cell phones, decorative tire rims, cheap internet, or whatever, long before they'll pay $30 for cheap blood pressure meds.

[Cloud9]

At some point, people will realize that there is not enough. Then the question boils down to who eats and who starves. At that point it is us vs. them.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hen the question boils down to who eats and who starves. At that point it is us vs. them.

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', 'N')o, it's a necessary thing, together with everything else you take for granted.

[Loki]

I believe something can be considered "necessary" if death or severe disability results from not having it.

I do appreciate honest conservative views on health care, though, it's certainly enlightening to see how lightly you all take other people's lives. Your statement isn't quite as obnoxious as Cog's "let the fuckers die" philosophy, but it's certainly in the same boat. I imagine our British/Canadian/Australian/etc. readers are shaking their heads in disbelief at the backwardness of Americans on the health care issue.

As for the OP, I imagine the end of PO.com will be a combination of declining membership and loss of interest by the admin. Speaking of which, whatever happened to Aaron?

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '
')
Nope, not necessary. And you've given no proof of necessity.

And, I don't take any of this stuff for granted, it is a spectacular luxury, available to me and mine through shear luck of being born at the right time, in the right country, with the right education and resources. The degree of "fortunate" is frankly mind-boggling. What hurts my head is that many of those living in the developed world can't manage to see what an extreme privilege they have in hand, simply because of where and when they were born.

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', 'W')orse, the whole paragraph contradicts the phrase "And I don't take any of this stuff for granted"!

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'H')ealth care is a luxury, not a necessity.
Sorry, true facts are sometimes unpleasant.

People without health coverage, for whatever reason, will simply be going without,