by JRP3 » Tue 03 Apr 2012, 20:25:22
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YOU are blithely ignoring many serious unknowns, given GM's poor quality and customer service reputation, and the newness of the Volt's large battery and technology.
The car is fully warrantied, for longer than most people keep a vehicle. If there are issues with the Volt build quality it will be GM's problem. Most people seem to feel the Volt build quality is some of the best from GM. $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')And oh, by the way, the electricity we use mostly comes from coal -- so the whole fossil fuel and global warming issue is just as prevelant with the Volt as "normal" passenger cars, so I think your "the new world is here" attitude about the Volt is way overblown.
False. In 2011 around 45% of US power was from coal, so that means most, 55%, is not from coal. Even so, a fully coal charged EV is cleaner than any ICE, only a hybrid Prius is cleaner.
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')Plus, I don't like lower middle class people helping pay the $7500 federal subsidy for some rich "look at me" type clown to own a Volt.
I don't like middle class people paying higher tax rates than the super rich either. The 50 cents per US citizen that the $7500 tax refund cost last year doesn't bother me too much, though I agree it probably should not apply to vehicles over $40K or so. I'm fine with the Volt not getting the subsidy, but it's not up to me.
by Keith_McClary » Wed 04 Apr 2012, 01:43:47
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JRP3', 'V')olt sales double in March
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')uropean sales of the Volt and its European twin, the Opel Ampera, began in February and the car has been met there with a more enthusiastic reception
Was the increase due to a "Grand Opening" effect in Europe? Fox doesn't say where the sales were.
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by Keith_McClary » Wed 11 Apr 2012, 01:36:34
We don't seem to have a recent hybrid vehicle thread, so I'm posting this here, even though it doesn't mention the Volt:
Many hybrid-car owners buy once -- but not again, Polk study says$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hile the choice of fuel-efficient hybrid vehicles for sale in the U.S. continues to grow, more buyers than not are deciding against the technology when they go to buy another car.
Only 35% of hybrid vehicle owners chose to purchase a hybrid again when they returned to the market in 2011, according to auto information company R.L. Polk & Co.
If you factor out the super-loyal Toyota Prius buyers, the repurchase rate drops to under 25%.
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Hybrid vehicles represent just 2.4% of the overall new vehicle market in the U.S., according to Polk, down from a high of 2.9% in 2008.
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by Outcast_Searcher » Wed 11 Apr 2012, 16:45:54
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', 'W')e don't seem to have a recent hybrid vehicle thread, so I'm posting this here, even though it doesn't mention the Volt:
Many hybrid-car owners buy once -- but not again, Polk study says$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hile the choice of fuel-efficient hybrid vehicles for sale in the U.S. continues to grow, more buyers than not are deciding against the technology when they go to buy another car.
Only 35% of hybrid vehicle owners chose to purchase a hybrid again when they returned to the market in 2011, according to auto information company R.L. Polk & Co.
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lineup of alternate-drive vehicles and their premium price points
just aren’t appealing enough to consumers to give the segment the momentum it once anticipated, especially given the growing strength of fuel economy among compact and midsize competitors,” said Lacey Plache, Edmunds.com chief economist.
This, to me, seems to confirm my assumption. We need to wait a bit yet, as only recently are really appealing choices (aside from the Prius) becoming available, given the trade-offs like cost, vehicle size, etc.
I kept noticing that for mid-sized cars, that the hybrid performance was really PRETTY DARN PITIFUL, especially given the cost. So unless it was a Prius, it was "no way".
Now suddenly, assuming the 2012 Toyota Hybrid Camry performs according to specs and proves reliable -- for about a $3500 premium and a whopping 43 mpg city for a REAL, quality, top brand car as a hybrid -- I'm all over it. I'm just waiting a couple of years since this is a new model, new hybrid engine, etc -- just to ensure there isn't a big reliablilty "gotcha".
I could be wrong, but with the likes of the Ford Fusion hybrid and others from various makers which have gotten to be much better choices -- I expect those surveys to change. And, BTW, if gasoline gets to be averaging $4.00 or even $5.00 plus -- that will only encourage that trend.
BTW, the Volt is just a hybrid with a big battery, high price and all of GM's baggage. To me, it is one of the worst choices out there for someone who wants to be fairly CONFIDENT they can drive reliably and cheaply for many years
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.