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Re: How Much Oil Does the U.S. Have in the Ground

Unread postby dissident » Tue 06 Mar 2012, 21:32:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 't')here's that old EROEI buggaboo again. if it cost more energy to compress the energy than there is no energy left over for mom and the kids and the dog. and the mall.

but then we don't know because, no one has felt the need to engage in a robust, boundry-controlled recursive, life-cycle study of the NG tranport-fuel energy account. Until then, history tells us that natural gas will always be more expensive than liquid petroleum as the primary transport fuel. Why? Because the necessary infrastructure ([pipelines especially) were never built when the petroleum was cheap. Now if we had NG backhoes, excavators, tractors, bulldozers things might be different.


Burning natural gas in internal combustion engines is the definition of idiocy. To extract more energy out of it, which is what we want to be doing on the downslope of Hubbert's curve, it makes sense to burn it in combined cycle power plants (56% efficiency) and use the resulting electricity for electric drive vehicles. One could argue that gasoline is wasted in IC engines too, but I have not heard of any combined cycle oil power plants. We see how the discussion always revolves around BAU. The notion of retiring the inefficient IC engine is just too radical. Reality will teach us real good, and soon.
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OPEC Oil Production Climbs to 31.27 Million BPD in February

Unread postby Graeme » Wed 07 Mar 2012, 17:28:17

Platts: OPEC Oil Production Climbs to 31.27 Million Barrels Per Day in February

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')rude oil output from the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) climbed by 400,000 barrels per day (b/d) to 31.27 million b/d in February from 30.87 million b/d in January, the highest volume from the 12 producing countries since the autumn of 2008, a Platts survey of OPEC and oil industry officials and analysts showed Wednesday.

Continuing recovery in Libyan production accounted for 250,000 b/d of the month-on-month increase. Smaller increments came from Angola, Kuwait, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela.

"What's fascinating about these numbers is that they are so much above what the International Energy Agency has said is necessary for OPEC to produce to keep inventories flat - what's known as the OPEC 'call,'" said John Kingston, Platts global director of oil. "For all of 2012, the call is 29.9 million b/d. Instead, OPEC is producing well over a million barrels per day above that, yet oil prices continue to climb."


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Re: OPEC Oil Production Climbs to 31.27 Million BPD in Febru

Unread postby Wootan » Wed 07 Mar 2012, 17:55:42

They sell a lot of cars in Chindia. Will they actually use them? Probably. So it should be possible to have some sort of Peak Oil-experience long before we actually reach PO. (If we haven't reached it already.) That would be like a placebo PO: All the pain and conflicts associated with resource depletion.
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Re: OPEC Oil Production Climbs to 31.27 Million BPD in Febru

Unread postby Pops » Wed 07 Mar 2012, 17:58:51

It will be interesting to see the IEA OMR for the stock situation in a week or so.
OECD stocks are down absolutely but since demand is down as well, the days of forward cover isn't bad.
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Re: OPEC Oil Production Climbs to 31.27 Million BPD in Febru

Unread postby misterno » Thu 08 Mar 2012, 15:03:31

something is wrong with this picture

OPEC is producing 1MMbd more than stated before and oil is above $123????

This is a proof that there is discorrelation between demand/supply and price.
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Re: How Much Oil Does the U.S. Have in the Ground

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Fri 16 Mar 2012, 12:54:46

Oh we got PLENTY of oil in the ground....just ask Larry Kudlow! he is an expert isn't he??? ;)

Go to about a 1:15.... the money quote is at about 1:25 ish.

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Re: How Much Oil Does the U.S. Have in the Ground

Unread postby DomusAlbion » Fri 16 Mar 2012, 18:47:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')hen we can tackle the really really really difficult job of encouraging populations into beautifully designed, densely clustered, walkable cities.


Hmmm, like New York?

"beautifully designed, densely clustered, walkable cities" do not and probably will never exist. :)
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Re: How Much Oil Does the U.S. Have in the Ground

Unread postby MD » Fri 16 Mar 2012, 20:15:59

How much?

More than we will ever use!

It will end as a mining operation, eventually. Hundreds of years from now.

At the end of the cycle, it won't be considered an energy source at all. It will be harvested for its other properties.

It's as obvious as could be.
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Re: How Much Oil Does the U.S. Have in the Ground

Unread postby ralfy » Fri 16 Mar 2012, 23:21:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ian807', 'W')e might extend powerdown time by decades if we moved most private cars to alternatives to petroleum like butane or straight natural gas, for that matter.

Successful capitalism, of course, means never having to think about tomorrow.


Unfortunately, energy returns for alternatives are lower, even oil is needed for alternatives and the manufacture of private cars, etc.

Ultimately, we will be forced to let go of private cars, together with much of non-necessities that are part of a middle class lifestyle, and use whatever resources are available for necessities.
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Re: How Much Oil Does the U.S. Have in the Ground

Unread postby Kristen » Sat 17 Mar 2012, 07:51:21

Even if there is an abundant supply of expensive oil, it's still expensive! Not too mention Global Warming, Surely such "exotic" technologies come with climate destruction. It's 80 in Minneapolis in March today! As much as I love summer it;s awkward. Our trees need cooling days or they would die!
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Re: How Much Oil Does the U.S. Have in the Ground

Unread postby ralfy » Sun 18 Mar 2012, 09:47:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('babystrangeloop', 'W')ho cares how much oil there is in the ground? There's always oil and that's all you need to know.
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Re: How Much Oil Does the U.S. Have in the Ground

Unread postby peripato » Mon 19 Mar 2012, 04:17:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ian807', 'W')e might extend powerdown time by decades if we moved most private cars to alternatives to petroleum like butane or straight natural gas, for that matter.

Successful capitalism, of course, means never having to think about tomorrow.


Unfortunately, energy returns for alternatives are lower, even oil is needed for alternatives and the manufacture of private cars, etc.

Ultimately, we will be forced to let go of private cars, together with much of non-necessities that are part of a middle class lifestyle, and use whatever resources are available for necessities.


But first there will be war! Then famine, pestilence and disease...
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Re: How Much Oil Does the U.S. Have in the Ground

Unread postby peripato » Mon 19 Mar 2012, 04:19:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('babystrangeloop', 'W')ho cares how much oil there is in the ground? There's always oil and that's all you need to know.
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Re: How Much Oil Does the U.S. Have in the Ground

Unread postby ralfy » Mon 19 Mar 2012, 05:35:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peripato', '
')But first there will be war! Then famine, pestilence and disease...


There has been war, famine, pestilence, etc., for decades. This time they will be accompanied by a peak in global oil production.
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Elgin platform disaster

Unread postby Rod_Cloutier » Tue 27 Mar 2012, 14:00:47

Here we go people, the deepwater horizon disaster part II -!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')ubbed "the well from hell" by a Norwegian environmentalist who said the high pressure of the undersea reservoirs in the field made it especially hard to shut off, a plume of gas was visible over the platform, officials said, and a sheen of oil, also produced from the rig, was spreading over the water.

Officials imposed an air and sea exclusion zone around the platform, which had been pumping 9 million cubic meters of gas per day or three percent of Britain's natural gas output and lies some 150 miles east of the city of Aberdeen.

A senior Total manager said the firm was looking at two main options - drilling a relief well, which could take six months, or the faster - potentially riskier - alternative of sending in engineers to "kill" the leak affecting a platform that also accounts for some 5.5 percent of Britain's total oil production.

But, Total manager David Hainsworth added: "The well itself could die on its own. This is the dream option."

Otherwise, "There are two options for intervening," said Hainsworth, who is health, safety and environment manager at Total Exploration and Production UK Ltd. "One is drilling a relief well which could take about six months. The other is a platform intervention to kill the well," he told Reuters.



link: http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/i ... G720120327
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Re: Elgin platform disaster

Unread postby Rod_Cloutier » Wed 28 Mar 2012, 00:22:24

Come on people- this post has been here 8 hours and not even one post here.

I long for the 2010's heyday's of 'lets nuke the wellhead' for the deepwater horizon site, exciting times! Bring'em back.
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Re: Elgin platform disaster

Unread postby Colorado-Valley » Wed 28 Mar 2012, 01:08:36

I say we nuke it!
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Re: Elgin platform disaster

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Wed 28 Mar 2012, 02:07:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Repent', 'C')ome on people- this post has been here 8 hours and not even one post here.

I long for the 2010's heyday's of 'lets nuke the wellhead' for the deepwater horizon site, exciting times! Bring'em back.
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