[JimG]

At some point - assuming we as a collective American species even make it that far - we will be forced to abandon things like manicured lawns and ornamental non-native plants and have to grow our own vegetables. It would become a state law.

Or we might just get smarter about our local land use. I remember in Japan in 1989 I saw rice paddies in the fertile soil of a cloverleaf onramp to a freeway. I always thought that was cool.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JimG', 'A')t some point - assuming we as a collective American species even make it that far - we will be forced to abandon things like manicured lawns and ornamental non-native plants and have to grow our own vegetables. It would become a state law.

Or we might just get smarter about our local land use. I remember in Japan in 1989 I saw rice paddies in the fertile soil of a cloverleaf onramp to a freeway. I always thought that was cool.

[JimG]

If memory serves... (doubtful) Japan had the population of 150 million
In 1990 stuffed into a country about the size of California. Which is
just wild for me to consider.

Farm subsidies are a novelty though, and
even our country should end them - sooner or later - as we move away from
GMO soybeans for cows and the ethanol hysteria - into real food for humans. Vegetables... totally organic, maybe? As nutrient dense as possible. Yes, beans and potatos. Im half Irish, so the latter is just fine!

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JimG', 'I')f memory serves... (doubtful) Japan had the population of 150 million
In 1990 stuffed into a country about the size of California. Which is
just wild for me to consider.

[vaseline2008]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JimG', 'A')t some point - assuming we as a collective American species even make it that far - we will be forced to abandon things like manicured lawns and ornamental non-native plants and have to grow our own vegetables. It would become a state law.

[GHung]

It's been a while since I've seen "humanure" discussed here. I just saw a discussion on CNN where Gordon Chang was commenting on the North Korean defector that got shot escaping yesterday. When asked about South Korean doctors discovering large parasites in the soldier's intestines, Chang mentioned that N. Korea "uses few chemical fertilizers, but uses a lot of human manure to fertilize their crops", resulting in the population having parasites. That, combined with generally poor health and diets, makes them prone to these problems.

Seems the North Koreans need some lessons on hot composting, and that they would be able to deal with such a simple problem. Or maybe they don't care.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', '
')Seems the North Koreans need some lessons on hot composting, and that they would be able to deal with such a simple problem. Or maybe they don't care.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnRM', 'I')'m just wondering how many people think we can grow enough food for 7 billion plus people after peak oil.

How many people CAN we grow food for?

How are we going to do it?

Etc, etc, etc.