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Re: Peak Oil News Addiction

Unread postby babystrangeloop » Sun 04 Mar 2012, 17:56:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'M')y ex-wife thought I was not just an addict, but a lunatic who had lost his mind.

I hate having to split into two people, the "let's pretend it's not happening" one and the "it's really happening" one, but that's the only way I know how to go about in this world. Talk about maddening.

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Re: Peak Oil News Addiction

Unread postby AgentR11 » Sun 04 Mar 2012, 18:40:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('babystrangeloop', 'T')he main divide between harmless or beneficial habits like breathing and nasty addictions is the results of pursuing it, what it does to your life.


Following a news topic is no worse, nor better than following a celebrity or sports team. If you are a football fan, and know all the ins and outs of the game, know the players' names, or who won or lost last week; but then talk to me (for instance) at best you are going to get a glazed over "uh huh"; at worse, if you try to make me go to a game, or watch one on TV, it might rise to the level of requiring application of violence. That doesn't make them addicts. It means they're fans. Which is fine. Even if they foolishly attempt to coerce me to participate, they are still just fans, if perhaps overly enthusiastic ones.

Peak oil, same deal. One might strike up a conversation with another "fan" and have a reasonable conversation; but if you try to rope in someone uninterested, you can expect glazed over eye syndrome. If you try and force them to prepare or participate, then you should rightly expect a 2x4 to the head. This also, does not make you an addict. It makes you a "fan". Perhaps "fan" is too benevolent a term, but the behavior seems to fit well enough.

In this context, I've noticed no difference in "life impact" between observed fan impacts, and my own peak oil impacts, other than I spend less money on my object of interest, than they do on theirs. This *might* be bad for the local sports teams, but it doesn't seem particularly harmful to my own interests.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')eak oil is complicated since not paying attention could harm you as much as paying attention.


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Re: Peak Oil News Addiction

Unread postby babystrangeloop » Sun 04 Mar 2012, 19:59:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'F')ollowing a news topic is no worse, nor better than following a celebrity or sports team.

If celebrity sports teams stopped arriving my grocery stores would not be empty.
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Re: Peak Oil News Addiction

Unread postby AgentR11 » Sun 04 Mar 2012, 20:44:03

I thought the fast crashers already left for more hospitable terrain?
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Re: Peak Oil News Addiction

Unread postby babystrangeloop » Sun 04 Mar 2012, 21:09:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'I') thought the fast crashers already left for more hospitable terrain?

Thank you for admitting that you are inhospitable. Are you remorseless about it too?
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Re: Peak Oil News Addiction

Unread postby AgentR11 » Sun 04 Mar 2012, 21:19:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('babystrangeloop', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'I') thought the fast crashers already left for more hospitable terrain?

Thank you for admitting that you are inhospitable. Are you remorseless about it too?


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Re: Peak Oil News Addiction

Unread postby AgentR11 » Sun 04 Mar 2012, 21:31:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('babystrangeloop', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'F')ollowing a news topic is no worse, nor better than following a celebrity or sports team.

If celebrity sports teams stopped arriving my grocery stores would not be empty.


Back on subject...

The "empty grocery store" idea is generally only supported by the fast crash crowd. Evidence from the struggling economies burdened by limited energy, suggests that many things might be on the "can't do that anymore" chopping block, but getting groceries to fill the shelves of the grocery stores isn't one of those things. We *MIGHT* lose some variety, though it hasn't happened yet. Grain is just too cheap, and we grow way too much of it, and its very easy to ship around the country on rail in massive quantities; coupled with how cheap the transport of mass is by train and large truck, its just not realistic to suggest empty grocery stores. BORING, maybe...

So.. if news about peak oil stops, the shelves will not be empty.
If we all note that peak OIL was about 5 years ago or so, the shelves will still not be empty.
If we stretch the definition of what OIL is, and it peaks in a decade or two; the shelves will STILL not go empty.

Besides, people riot and burn buildings over sports teams; that hasn't happened yet with regard to PO, and may (hopefully) never happen.
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Re: Peak Oil News Addiction

Unread postby Rod_Cloutier » Sun 04 Mar 2012, 23:31:59

I've been here since 2004. I started with the denial phase about peak oil, like almost everyone else. I started the greatly panned 'Import methane from Jupiter thread, that later became the Titan thread'. I read an article recently by Tom Murphy, who was familiar with my claims; and he thoroughly and completely debunked each of my ideas on a point by point basis. (I needed this initially to get past denial).

I've been through all the other stages, bargaining, ect, and now I'm at acceptance. Still I'm part of the 'fast collapse' crowd, vs. the 'catabolic collapse' crowd which sees this happening slowly over decades. I scan multiple website daily for hints that 'the trigger event' has occurred, to do what Dmitry Orlov has suggested- "Have a plan, but don't implement yet'.

On a darker note, I often visit Zerohedge and Max Keiser's website's to gloat over just how much the wealthy have screwed themselves. I don't own stocks or bonds; I have no property or savings worth mentioning. I often don't have two nickels to rub together; yet I get a distinct, sadistic, and even a primal pleasure from watching the 'super wealthy' screw themselves with deritives to infinity, ponzi schemes, and other 'innovative' financial absurdities. (Where will they all be in a barter economy?)

Yes, I’m addicted as well. (Although my post count at about 600 makes me more of a lurker than anything else).
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Re: Peak Oil News Addiction

Unread postby dolanbaker » Mon 05 Mar 2012, 05:38:39

I tend to watch out for peak oil news all the time, but am more interested in news on the current economic "meltdown" at the moment as this will have a more immediate affect than the long term decline in oil supply.

Peak oil flow has strangled the growth that the financial system is totally dependent on to function correctly, the numerous attempts to "magic" money into the system to fill the holes are becoming more and more blatant.

It's only a matter of time before the politicians & banksters are forced into looking at "plan B", or should that be "creating a plan B", as a financial system totally dependent on infinite growth cannot survive indefinitely in a finite world.
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Re: Peak Oil News Addiction

Unread postby babystrangeloop » Mon 05 Mar 2012, 07:03:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Repent', 'O')n a darker note, I often visit Zerohedge and Max Keiser's website's to gloat over just how much the wealthy have screwed themselves. I don't own stocks or bonds; I have no property or savings worth mentioning. I often don't have two nickels to rub together; yet I get a distinct, sadistic, and even a primal pleasure from watching the 'super wealthy' screw themselves with deritives to infinity, ponzi schemes, and other 'innovative' financial absurdities. (Where will they all be in a barter economy?)

Schadenfreude is part of the peak oil news addiction complex, yes. As for the particulars I think now that industrial expansion has cooled off it cannot be used as the basis for investing money except through boom and bust cycles (buy low and sell high) and those are wildly unpredictable where as continual expansion of industry in the past was predictable overall. Left without their classic investment strategies people substitute the most outrageous things.

BTW my fav schadenfreude song is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PshpA-XRztM

But why this need to punish others in a passive-aggressive way, like watching them melt and wither like snowmen in the noonday heat of summer? The archetype of the child might shed some light.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_%28archetype%29

There's something particularly juvenile about it and it stems from taking the victim's stance and basic need to drive off enemies for survival. As we mature we experiment with alternatives and often discover that compassion is a superior tool for getting our needs met. But in this world things are so different, it is possible to live at a very high level in a domestic situation that requires no other people than employers and store attendants (and now with ATMs and self-service machines even the number of interactions there is dropping) and doctors, with whom very little time is spent thanks to HMOs and the time is very formal, the roles are well-defined.

The feedback that gets into this cycle is that with the knowledge of peak oil my interests start to diverge from those of other people. I feel that when I am in public I must wear a mask and show only my "let's pretend it's not happening" face. It takes a lot of energy to always be on guard and make sure you don't slip and show your true beliefs to someone who you depend on for support. More and more I resort to isolating myself rather than having to pursue relationships that require I have to hide what I am thinking.

Because of the nature of employment I am stuck with 8-12 hours of continuous "let's pretend it's not happening". There have been numerous times (especially when the news is getting edgy) during when I check the price of oil on my cell phone the minute I'm on my way home from work. The absolute worst part is when my co-workers decide they want to become my personal friends too; I am stuck with having to excuse myself to people I depend on. The other absolute worst is if you slip at work and divulge your opinions—my God, you could spend 99.9999999% of the time playing "let's pretend it's not happening" and if you slip once you are instantly branded in numerous ways that make no sense to you.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Repent', 'Y')es, I’m addicted as well.

Is it damaging your life in any way that you can tell?
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Re: Peak Oil News Addiction

Unread postby babystrangeloop » Mon 05 Mar 2012, 10:10:54

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Re: Peak Oil News Addiction

Unread postby misterno » Mon 05 Mar 2012, 13:39:15

I am addicted to PO.com and anything related big time. At first, it seemed normal cuz all the numbers, statistics, charts graphs and lies and damn lies from Saudi Government were supporting/contradicting :P each other. But then several years later- dunno how many years- I realized nobody was taking me seriously. People living their lives like there is no problem out there. Even when the gas hit $4.35 in Houston 4-5 years ago, people were like "it is the US Govt, don't worry it will come down later, just enjoy your life man".

It has been probably 7-8 years since I joined here and became aware of PO and now for the last 2-3 months a new thought emerged in my mind. I know I am not crazy or pessimistic or a typical doomer. I wanted to be as realistic as I can. I am thinking we will not have a doomsday or oil shortage. But instead there will be expensive oil and with that we will have smaller cars smaller houses very expensive food or low quality food, no longer bbq everyweekend in my favorite Memorial Park and no longer flying overseas to see my family. No doomsday, just a poorer life.

Yesterday, Sunday, I spent the whole 7-8 hours reading old and new articles and all the saved links from my favorites regarding PO. I am addicted but I am not a doomer.Addiction is not good. I need to solve this problem. Just don't know how. But then with my engineering and finance background, I know I feel that all these numbers make sense and we are heading towards a big time collapse. I know I am really confused. 8O
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Re: Peak Oil News Addiction

Unread postby babystrangeloop » Mon 05 Mar 2012, 14:43:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', 'I') know I am not crazy ...

Us too!
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Re: Peak Oil News Addiction

Unread postby AgentR11 » Mon 05 Mar 2012, 16:51:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', 'n')o longer bbq everyweekend in my favorite Memorial Park


Now now now, lets not go get crazy.

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We just got through killing enough oak trees via drought to last us a hundred years of bbq; so...

split oak pieces in rear paniers, lighter and starter brick in trunk; juice, sausage/dogs/steaks + blue ice thing in front left; buns, chips, bbq tools and condiments in right front, tunes on the handlebar mount, mobile BBQ ready to roll, no gasoline required or desired.

Think of PO as an opportunity to adapt and thrive.
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Re: Peak Oil News Addiction

Unread postby babystrangeloop » Mon 05 Mar 2012, 16:53:30

Maybe I just need to learn how to lie better.
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Re: Peak Oil News Addiction

Unread postby Loki » Mon 05 Mar 2012, 17:10:09

My guess is that what many here are talking about is internet "addiction," not necessarily just peak oil / doom stuff. I find forums particularly addicting because they're so interactive. I get bored watching TV within about 10 mins or so.

My cure for spending too much time on the internet is to not have it at home. I can sometimes get my neighbor's wireless signal (I have his permission to use it), but it's spotty at best, and slower than dial up even when it does work.

A good cure for feeling down about peak oil and other doom is to DO something. Put in a garden, learn how to bake bread, practice martial arts, etc. Sitting in front a computer all day, every day is not conducive to good physical or mental health.
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Re: Peak Oil News Addiction

Unread postby babystrangeloop » Mon 05 Mar 2012, 17:12:45

I did actually do some yoga today.

It's not really about Internet addiction or I'd be on http://ubuntuforums.com or something.

I started this thread for definite reasons and it's helped me a lot but most people don't get it since they don't have the background it takes.

I think the conclusion is that what I want is expert lying skills. I want to be able to lie perfectly, pretending to anyone for any length of time that there is no such thing as peak oil regardless of what crises have arisen.

I want to have complete and total acceptance that this is the way it is: people just lie about there being no peak oil and that's what normal is and that normal is great and normal is lying and lying is great—it's all good.

Then I will be as good as back to early 2004 when I didn't know. At that point I will be sane again. I will be sane and normal and I won't be a kook like you.

I'll be popular and people will love me as I say "there is no reason for gas prices to be this high!"
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Re: Peak Oil News Addiction

Unread postby Loki » Mon 05 Mar 2012, 17:32:17

It seems unlikely you were ever sane or normal, but I don't know you. Just judging based on your posts. Not that what passes for sanity these days is particularly sane.

I guess I don't get it. Just don't talk about peak oil to people. Do you talk about how much you masturbate? Or the color of your poo this morning? Talk about other things. It's not that hard. Unless you're the evangelical type, in which case expect people to resist and react negatively.

I never mention peak oil to anyone unless they bring it up first, and even then I don't discuss it much. There's a place for that, check it out.
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Re: Peak Oil News Addiction

Unread postby babystrangeloop » Mon 05 Mar 2012, 17:35:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', 'I') guess I don't get it. Just don't talk about peak oil to people. Do you talk about how much you masturbate? Or the color of your poo this morning?

Did you totally miss the part where I wrote:

regardless of what crises have arisen.

My poo-poo masturbation does not cause any global crises. That is the reason I don't freak out over it and feel any compulsion to talk about it.
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Re: Peak Oil News Addiction

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