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THE US Prison Population Thread (merged)

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Re: Prisoners request extra jail time

Unread postby careinke » Fri 16 Oct 2009, 19:51:25

Pup,

Don't sugar coat it, tell us how you really feel.

P.S. +1
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Re: Prisoners request extra jail time

Unread postby the48thronin » Sat 17 Oct 2009, 00:59:34

here's somethig you might want to google...


prison industries


And that is American companies using prisoners instead of hiring contract chinese slqaves...LOL
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Brand New Empty Prison Due to Overblown Crime Estimates

Unread postby dinopello » Tue 31 May 2011, 11:27:23

This is really sad

New Virginia Prison needs inmates

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his is how bad the economy is in southwestern Virginia: People are wishing they had more criminals in town.

That’s because Grayson County has a brand-new state prison standing empty. No prisoners. And that means no guards, no administrators, no staff, no jobs.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n 2008, the inmate population was projected to grow by a thousand a year, according to a report given to the secretary of public safety. The commonwealth had been expanding prisons and building new ones.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')Recent forecasts across the country have flattened for adults and juveniles, both state and local populations,” Larry Traylor, a spokesman for the Virginia Department of Corrections, said in an e-mail.

In Virginia, he said,“crime rates and most arrest rates are down, even for violent and heavier drug crimes, which are primary drivers of the forecast.”


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he county’s biggest employer is the school system. In part because officials were anticipating more children coming with the influx of prison jobs, the county raised taxes to build more schools. Without the prison, though, the county’s population didn’t increase.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')arrico said he believes that a solution might be found — perhaps bringing prisoners in from another state to Grayson’s empty cells.
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Re: Brand New Empty Prison Due to Overblown Crime Estimates

Unread postby davep » Tue 31 May 2011, 12:26:03

Wow. It's like somebody's having a really bad game of Sim City.
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Re: Brand New Empty Prison Due to Overblown Crime Estimates

Unread postby ian807 » Tue 31 May 2011, 13:26:37

Wait.
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Re: Brand New Empty Prison Due to Overblown Crime Estimates

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Tue 31 May 2011, 16:53:20

Well, I just saw a piece on PBS about the Supreme Court ruling that prisons are overcrowded in California, and they have to fix it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/31/opini ... rison.html

California is technically bankrupt. Maybe they can get Virginia (and other states with excess capacity) to house their surplus prison population cheaper than they can build more prisons.

That or they just have to let them out, though of course they vigorously denied this possibility in the PBS discussion on this.

Since you can't get politicians to work together, my guess is bad solutions will be found to both situations. I can hear it now from the left. The only way to fix this is MORE GOVERNMENT! :roll:
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Re: Brand New Empty Prison Due to Overblown Crime Estimates

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Tue 31 May 2011, 16:56:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ian807', 'W')ait.


It is interesting that as the economy has gotten worse, property crime has meaningfully decreased. The WSJ had a recent article on this.

I assume your comment implies that when things get bad enough, that this trend will reverse -- rather dramatically?

I certainly wouldn't argue that point. White Collar crime is already an epidemic. (But it's POLITE crime, so somehow that makes it OK). :roll:


edit - fixed a typo
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Re: Brand New Empty Prison Due to Overblown Crime Estimates

Unread postby dinopello » Sun 29 Jan 2012, 13:54:39

Another prison in Virginia closing down, decimating the town.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hen things got tough, the people of this Southside hamlet made a hard decision. They welcomed into their midst the Mecklenburg Correctional Center, a sallow-trimmed building filled with murderers and rapists that promised to pump jobs and revenue back into the ailing economy.

But as the town prepared for its 200th anniversary in February, it was blindsided by news the state planned to shutter the prison, which houses about 730 inmates.

Boydton ultimately will lose 20 percent of its annual budget — revenue that comes from providing sewer services to the prison


It's sad how much this town relies on the Prison. Otherwise, the town, Boydton VA, is situated between Richmond and Raleigh, surrounded by farmland, has a large lake and might make a great doomtown. Bought up for fiat pennies on the fiat dollar.

And, it's happening all over:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he story of Boydton is playing out in small towns across Virginia and around the nation. Many depressed rural communities welcomed prisons in recent decades as sources of jobs and revenue — The Post dubbed it “salvation through incarceration.”

In 2o10, the overall U.S. prison population declined for the first time in four decades to 1.6 million and at least 13 states closed prisons. Virginia alone has closed 10, in addition to Mecklenburg, since 2009.
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Re: Brand New Empty Prison Due to Overblown Crime Estimates

Unread postby Rod_Cloutier » Mon 30 Jan 2012, 17:07:28

If they actually began prosecuting for banking fraud, mortgage fraud, securities fraud, ect, ect, I bet they can fill this jail several times over!

Time to get started.
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Re: Brand New Empty Prison Due to Overblown Crime Estimates

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Mon 30 Jan 2012, 19:27:34

The idea that every single community in the world can be economically diverse is unrealistic. Not every hamlet can have a biotech centre.
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Re: Brand New Empty Prison Due to Overblown Crime Estimates

Unread postby basil_hayden » Mon 30 Jan 2012, 20:39:25

I know Connecticut sends prisoners to Virgina, and Virginia profits, but why not short circuit the system and just turn them into public schools?
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Re: Brand New Empty Prison Due to Overblown Crime Estimates

Unread postby Fiddlerdave » Mon 30 Jan 2012, 22:34:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ian807', 'W')ait.


It is interesting that as the economy has gotten worse, property crime has meaningfully decreased. The WSJ had a recent article on this.

I assume your comment implies that when things get bad enough, that this trend will reverse -- rather dramatically?

I certainly wouldn't argue that point. White Collar crime is already an epidemic. (But it's POLITE crime, so somehow that makes it OK). :roll:
MOST white collar "crime" isn't even ILLEGAL in this country!

Since thieves wrote the laws, stealing money under the guise of "business" has an infinitesimal chance of prison for the thief!
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Re: Brand New Empty Prison Due to Overblown Crime Estimates

Unread postby rangerone314 » Mon 30 Jan 2012, 22:44:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fiddlerdave', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ian807', 'W')ait.


It is interesting that as the economy has gotten worse, property crime has meaningfully decreased. The WSJ had a recent article on this.

I assume your comment implies that when things get bad enough, that this trend will reverse -- rather dramatically?

I certainly wouldn't argue that point. White Collar crime is already an epidemic. (But it's POLITE crime, so somehow that makes it OK). :roll:
MOST white collar "crime" isn't even ILLEGAL in this country!

Since thieves wrote the laws, stealing money under the guise of "business" has an infinitesimal chance of prison for the thief!
Its representative government, baby! If you can steal enough money, you can pay politicians to change the laws so what you do will be legal.
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Re: Brand New Empty Prison Due to Overblown Crime Estimates

Unread postby bratticus » Thu 23 Feb 2012, 07:32:37

In related news:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]U.S. prisons becoming ‘old age homes behind bars’
Lynn Herrmann / Digital Journal / February 16, 2012

... In U.S. state and federal prisons, the number of those incarcerated age 55 or older has nearly quadrupled between 1995 and 2010, a 282 percent spike, even as the total number of prisoners grew by 42 percent. There are now 124,400 prisoners age 55 or older. ...

... Walking long distances to dining halls, climbing to a top bunk, or just standing for count can be almost impossible for some older prisoners. Added to this are the burdens of incontinence and dementia.

Staff behavior at prisons with high proportions of elderly have had to adapt to these realities. “Prison staff who work with the elderly know it makes no sense to yell at a prisoner who doesn’t understand what they are saying,” Fellner said. “As one sergeant told me, staff have to give older prisoners ‘a little more leeway’ when it comes to enforcing the rules.”
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