THE Pandemic Thread (merged)

by **Falconoffury** » Wed 01 Jun 2005, 01:40:29

Thanks for all your efforts, Oilsnotwell, but I have one complaint. Please stop quoting the same information from seperate articles. I can't count how many times I read that China was planning on vaccinating 3 million birds.

by **SidneyTawl** » Wed 01 Jun 2005, 02:20:52

Falcon,

I went back and didn't see this info posted in quotes, it may have been in links. I only saw it in one post in the last few pages and it referred to the innoculation of two million birds in china. With proof only from their (China's) word.

From what I read, the only vaccine is tamaflu. However its not clear to me if that is for the birds and/or humans also.

There was a severe shortage of thama flu from my the demand.

This is a (the) chinese "vaccine"?

Or from where.

Vaccines only work if you use them before the onslaught of the disease.

What is the ramp-up time to produce this bird vaccine.

by **OilsNotWell** » Wed 01 Jun 2005, 03:29:36

Sorry if there was duplication of info, Falcon.

by **gg3** » Wed 01 Jun 2005, 08:06:17

Tamiflu is not a vaccine, it's an antiviral drug.

Re. grapes, grape juice, wine, etc.: Someone with proper qualifications needs to read those articles and translate that information into appropriate human dosages and dosing schedules for each product.

Probably it would be a good bet to have a small glass of grape juice every few hours during the day from when you wake up to when you go to bed (work your way up to this so you don't get diarrhea from drinking too much at once), or wine when you're at home if you prefer.

Apparently resveratrol is available as a nutritional supplement (put the word into a search engine and see what comes up); it would probably be a good idea to add it to your preparedness kit and stash it away for the proverbial rainy day. One good way to go looking for it is to start by searching the product lines of known-reputable manufacturers of nutritionals, and then special-order it at your local health food store.

Re. Brazilian chickens: bad news. This gives me the same creepy feeling I got when I first heard that a guy in Florida died of anthrax: "maybe it's nothing, but at this point in time, chances are it's something and boy are we ever screwed!"

by **OilsNotWell** » Wed 01 Jun 2005, 14:51:40

Brazil says it is NOT bird flu:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ird flu ruled out for Brazil chickens inflicted with mystery disease

SAO PAULO, Brazil (AP) - Authorities have ruled out avian flu as the cause of a mysterious respiratory illness that prompted the slaughter of 17,000 chickens in the west-central Brazilian state of Mato Grosso do Sul, an official with the Agriculture Ministry said Wednesday.
"We know it's not bird flu," Jamil Gomes, co-ordinator of the ministry's animal sanitation division, said in a telephone interview from Brasilia, the capital. "It has not arrived in South America."

Testing was still underway to identify the disease, but Gomes said authorities suspect it may be exotic Newcastle disease, which paralyses and kills all species of birds, but isn't a threat to humans.

myTelus

by **gg3** » Wed 01 Jun 2005, 22:48:23

Newcastle disease, interesting. Presumably little risk of turning into something that infects humans.

I'm wondering how long it's going to be before chicken becomes an expensive treat.

by **TheTurtle** » Wed 01 Jun 2005, 23:41:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SidneyTawl', '
')I went back and didn't see this info posted in quotes, it may have been in links. I only saw it in one post in the last few pages and it referred to the innoculation of two million birds in china. With proof only from their (China's) word.

From what I read, the only vaccine is tamaflu. However its not clear to me if that is for the birds and/or humans also.

There was a severe shortage of thama flu from my the demand.

This is a (the) chinese "vaccine"?

Or from where.

Vaccines only work if you use them before the onslaught of the disease.

What is the ramp-up time to produce this bird vaccine.

by **kelee877** » Thu 02 Jun 2005, 11:23:58

Just like oil and water do not mix neighter would this..if there where pandemic at the same time as a shortage of oil..the world would be in total toilet bowl.
Now try to combine your peak oil strategies with the flu and how would it effect your family and helping others. Would you dare venture outside to tend your garden if your neighbour were out there and you knew they had the bug? How would you shop if there was anything available?
Would you take one of your children that is really sick to a hospital that you know is already over crowded and you may get sick also? And what if the authorities made it manditory that once you showed symptoms of the disease you had to go to a church or a hospital? Who would care for your family?
I think that in these times we should take full opportunity to communicate to each other once again any survival tips that we have aquired, because as we all know time is short, the time is around the corner. I for one have hopefully prepared enough that we could stay indoors for 3 months and with financies not that great at this time, I hope to do more. And of course we know that our governments have turned a blind eye to what is happening.
Info needed possibly:
Indoor Gardens without the aid of electricity.
Medications althou they say nothing helps an influenza.
bottled water,what types of foods for this?
What if it happens in the mid summer when temperatures are high..how would you survive the heat?
WE all know to stock up on water,beans rice flour, pasta,sugar,salt canned foods.
and with this bird flu that has been going around they killing poultry faster then they can produce it. So I guess what we need are the readers of the news and sites that can post here any info they can gather about influenza..what a rough world we live in now..and it makes it even worse that like I said our governments do not trully care..and neighter does 98% of the worlds population.

by **RonMN** » Thu 02 Jun 2005, 11:39:03

Don't ever under estimate the medicinal value of eating raw garlic. Garlic draws the toxins out of your system (meaning you'll spend a good while in the bathroom).

It has to be raw...no cooking. In order to get it down (i don't want garlic caught in my teeth) take a cracker or a piece of toast...chew up a bite of toast while chopping garlic into small bits...when you're ready to swallow, toss in the bits of garlic & down the hatch...wash it down with some chicken broth (or water)...1 or 2 cloves should do the trick...if not, after a few hours...repeat the process.

I've had this fix everything from swolen glands to nasty colds within 12-24 hours...it's amazing!

by **kelee877** » Thu 02 Jun 2005, 11:50:52

i have just googled and I typed in pandemic and peak oil..it was amazing how many hits there where and I just put the 2 and 2 together myself this morning and posted in here..I am going to go read what others have to say about this and the first thing I read was..with peak oil looming and China having such a population growth and they are putting such a demand on oil, why not start there, inject poultry and start a man made pandemic..

by **RonMN** » Thu 02 Jun 2005, 12:11:21

i dice it without chewing it (bread or a cracker helps)...best (for taste) is to wash it down with chicken broth...re-read above...it explains it.

by **kelee877** » Thu 02 Jun 2005, 12:26:15

thank you i just went in and read through that post...

by **RdSnt** » Thu 02 Jun 2005, 12:36:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'A')s far as preparations, my family's strategy is to keep N95 rated masks, latex gloves, lysol and hand sanitizer (alcohol) on hand for when we have to go out, live in a low population

by **kelee877** » Thu 02 Jun 2005, 12:39:20

about all my bugdet could afford was painters masks, but in times of trouble I figure I will be a little better off then the next guy with nothing..at least I have eyes that see and ears that hear..there are alot of deaf and blind people out there that cannot see the way this ole world is going..I would never talk to anyone in the city I live in they would a white jacket on me and lock me up..

by **RonMN** » Thu 02 Jun 2005, 12:46:03

A thought on cooling off (if locked in the house): In a survival class they teach you to never sleep directly on the ground as direct contact with the earth will suck all the heat out of your body. So if you need to cool off, you can go to the basement & lay on the tiled/concrete floor for 20 minz & let the heat out of yourself. If you don't have a basement you could always dig a hole in the shade & lay in it.

by **oowolf** » Thu 02 Jun 2005, 18:30:38

pdr on resveratrol:
http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdr ... 0224.shtml
also found in the invasive weed "Japanese knotweed"
http://www.webvitamins.com/Nutrient.aspx?id=4274
http://www.gardeners-academy.com/knotweed.html

by **gg3** » Fri 03 Jun 2005, 03:33:02

Oh, I think the Chinese authorities are doing everything they possibly can. But on the other hand, if you vaccinate three million birds but somehow a few thousand don't get dosed, you've still got a few thousand vectors running around.

So either way, we're screwed. This thing got too big long ago, and now the only question is "when" not "if." Unless of course it mutates into something as "harmless" as a conventional flu or a cold.

by **WhistleWind** » Fri 03 Jun 2005, 08:14:49

Over 8000 Bird Flu (bird) Deaths in Qinghai, China?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he updated report is alarming in many respects. It would seem that the number of dead birds and species is steadily increasing. The report also includes a small number of mammalian carnivores, which may have died from eating infected birds.

However, the report also lists domestic animals such as cows and sheep. It is not clear if these deaths are somehow linked to the reported foot and mouth outbreaks in China, or if the cows and sheep represent an expanded host range of H5N1. If the host range has expanded to cows and sheep, then it seems that human deaths are likely. Earlier reports detailed 121 human cases and 79 additional infections.

by **swa_mech** » Sat 04 Jun 2005, 22:52:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o if you need to cool off, you can go to the basement & lay on the tiled/concrete floor for 20 minz & let the heat out of yourself

by **Falconoffury** » Thu 09 Jun 2005, 03:13:12

I just read an article that 3 more people in Vietnam have contracted avian flu. Since it has slowed down, that's probably only the first wave. You think the second wave of the pandemic will infect thousands?

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