Donate Bitcoin

Donate Paypal


PeakOil is You

PeakOil is You

Oil In The Ground, Fantasy vs. Reality

General discussions of the systemic, societal and civilisational effects of depletion.

Re: Saudis have 2.5m barrels spare oil capacity, PFC says

Unread postby dorlomin » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 08:15:31

As I understand it fields can be run at a higher caqpacity than is optimal for maximum recovery. They may have an emergency spare capacity that can be turned on.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f the Saudis had the oil, they'd probably be flooding the market right now to bring Tehran to its knees is .
2 million extra barrels would bring Iran to its knees now?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')he same way they undermined the Soviet Union thirty years ago
Alaska and North Sea may have had something to do with that fall in price.
User avatar
dorlomin
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 5193
Joined: Sun 05 Aug 2007, 03:00:00

Re: Saudis have 2.5m barrels spare oil capacity, PFC says

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 09:07:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', 'A')s I understand it fields can be run at a higher caqpacity than is optimal for maximum recovery. They may have an emergency spare capacity that can be turned on.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f the Saudis had the oil, they'd probably be flooding the market right now to bring Tehran to its knees is .
2 million extra barrels would bring Iran to its knees now?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')he same way they undermined the Soviet Union thirty years ago
Alaska and North Sea may have had something to do with that fall in price.


As I see it Alaska and the North Sea had everything to do with it, those two coupled with the other members of OPEC exceeding their quota's lead SA to cut its output significantly to support the price they wanted for the world market. In 1986 they got tired of not making money because of low production while everyone else in the oil market was benefiting from their restraint. They opened up their taps and boom, oil dropped about 50% in value on the world market, which hurt the FSU badly but also hurt the USA oil exploration and rig workers a heck of a lot. Everyone who was dependent on that moderately high stable world price suffered, not just the FSU! Automobile manufacturers in the USA went back to making big inefficient cars, trucks and especially SUV's!

From this SA got the reputation of being the swing producer, they could manipulate world price by producing more or less than their total capacity. Well back in 2008 they were producing flat out and the price kept going up, and up, and up. Demand has exceeded capacity. The suddenness of the increase coupled with the housing bubble popping crashed the USA economy, which in turn shook the EU economy. The North Sea fields were already producing less than the UK consumes and Alaska is pumping about 1/3rd what is was producing in 1986 so no increases available on those fronts. Minor plays all over the world are just that, minor plays helping offset declines in older fields but not really adding much in terms of total capacity.

It has taken 3.5 years but the world is creeping back up on that ceiling of production because China and India have huge populations that are gaining ICE powered devices incrementally. As Seagypsy pointed out recently it doesn't matter if the fuel is burned in 1 Millionx125cc engines or 25,000x5liter engines, either way it is getting burned. And there is a HUGE market for 125cc engines in Asia, plus a lot of other places. Heck if I had too I could switch from my 2.2liter Civic to a 125cc spree and still make it too work 9 months out of the year. It would be uncomfortable as all get out for 6 of those months and would take twice as long but it is do-able.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alfred Tennyson', 'W')e are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Tanada
Site Admin
Site Admin
 
Posts: 17094
Joined: Thu 28 Apr 2005, 03:00:00
Location: South West shore Lake Erie, OH, USA
Top

Re: Saudis have 2.5m barrels spare oil capacity, PFC says

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 11:37:26

the 12.5 MM spare capacity is not something all that new. SA spoke about this more than a year ago when they finished commissioning of the last of the megaprojects.
A number of years ago I posted a plot on the Saudi production thread (now disappeared for some reason) that showed how adding up the capacity from all of the megaprojects ended up with 12.5 MMbbls. This is oil that can be accessed now by simply turning on the taps, all of the relevant MRC wells, processing and pipeline facilities in place.
User avatar
rockdoc123
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 7685
Joined: Mon 16 May 2005, 03:00:00

Re: Saudis have 2.5m barrels spare oil capacity, PFC says

Unread postby ralfy » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 13:10:17

Reminds me of the Morgan Stanley forecast reported here:

"If You Think This Oil Spike Is Temporary, Check Out This Chart"

http://articles.businessinsider.com/201 ... ity-saudis
User avatar
ralfy
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 5651
Joined: Sat 28 Mar 2009, 11:36:38
Location: The Wasteland

Re: Saudis have 2.5m barrels spare oil capacity, PFC says

Unread postby Graeme » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 17:19:38

Iran warns of consequences if Arabs back oil sanctions

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')ran warned Gulf Arab neighbors on Sunday they would suffer consequences if they raised oil output to replace Iranian crude facing an international ban.

In signs of Tehran's deepening isolation over its refusal to halt nuclear activity that could yield atomic bombs, China's premier was in Saudi Arabia probing for greater access to its huge oil and gas reserves and Britain voiced confidence a once hesitant European Union would soon ban oil imports from Iran.

Major importers of Iranian oil were long loath to embargo the lifeblood of Iran's economy because of fears this would send oil prices rocketing at a time - amidst debt and deficit crises and high unemployment - when they could least afford it.

But strong momentum for oil sanctions has been created by a U.N. watchdog report saying Iran appeared to have worked on designing an atom bomb.

A new U.S. law signed by President Barack Obama on New Year's Eve would freeze out of the U.S. financial system any institution dealing with Iran's central bank - which processes its oil revenues.

If fully applied, the law would make it impossible for most countries to buy Iranian oil. Washington is offering waivers to countries to let them keep buying Iranian oil for now, but demanding they gradually cut their imports back.

Leaders from some of the Asian countries that buy the most Iranian oil have begun touring the Middle East to secure alternative supply lines from Arab states. European buyers suggest they will also lean more heavily on Arab oil producers should an EU ban come into effect.


reuters
Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe. H. G. Wells.
Fatih Birol's motto: leave oil before it leaves us.
User avatar
Graeme
Fusion
Fusion
 
Posts: 13258
Joined: Fri 04 Mar 2005, 04:00:00
Location: New Zealand
Top

Re: Saudis have 2.5m barrels spare oil capacity, PFC says

Unread postby Graeme » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 17:26:49

Europe set to announce ban on Iranian oil, William Hague says

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')r Hague was speaking as part of what appeared to be a concerted ramping up of pressure on Iran from the EU. His German and French counterparts sent the same message in separate interviews, insisting that the Iranian regime was continuing its work on nuclear weapons and additionally threatening to block dealings with its Central Bank.

He repeated long-standing government policy that military action was being neither ruled in or out, but said: "This is an increasingly dangerous situation that Iran is developing a military nuclear programme.

"Our sanctions are part of getting Iran to change course and to enter negotiations."

Israel, the United States, the EU and Iran's Arab neighbours in the Gulf, mostly hostile, are engaged in a complex game of threat and counter-threat with Iran in the hope of persuading it to back down from its nuclear programme without having to use force, which even its proponents admit could have disastrous consequences.

Saudi Arabia's oil production currently stands at 10 million barrels per day, against a potential capacity estimated at 12.5 million, though whether it could in practice achieve that has been questioned.


telegraph
Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe. H. G. Wells.
Fatih Birol's motto: leave oil before it leaves us.
User avatar
Graeme
Fusion
Fusion
 
Posts: 13258
Joined: Fri 04 Mar 2005, 04:00:00
Location: New Zealand
Top

Re: Saudis have 2.5m barrels spare oil capacity, PFC says

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 18:08:02

Waiting for Ghawar's collapse any month now. When that happens, TSHTF big time.
User avatar
Serial_Worrier
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1549
Joined: Thu 05 Jun 2008, 03:00:00

Re: Saudis have 2.5m barrels spare oil capacity, PFC says

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 20:23:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'W')aiting for Ghawar's collapse any month now. When that happens, TSHTF big time.

Any month now? as in anything from one month to a hundred or do you have some insight that narrows it down to the more immediate future? And then there is the question of how much S... hits how big a F...? What is your take on what will happen the first time a supper tanker pulls up to the pump and there is a paper bag over the handle? A: a bit of chaos and market speculation until rising prices balance demand to supply or B: rapid escalation of resource wars that collapse all our markets and economy? or C; you fill in the blank.
User avatar
vtsnowedin
Fusion
Fusion
 
Posts: 14897
Joined: Fri 11 Jul 2008, 03:00:00
Top

Re: Saudis have 2.5m barrels spare oil capacity, PFC says

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 21:33:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'W')aiting for Ghawar's collapse any month now. When that happens, TSHTF big time.

Any month now? as in anything from one month to a hundred or do you have some insight that narrows it down to the more immediate future? And then there is the question of how much S... hits how big a F...? What is your take on what will happen the first time a supper tanker pulls up to the pump and there is a paper bag over the handle? A: a bit of chaos and market speculation until rising prices balance demand to supply or B: rapid escalation of resource wars that collapse all our markets and economy? or C; you fill in the blank.


The issue isn't going from Ghawar's current capacity to zero. It's when suddenly over a 1-2 week period it falls 50%. That's the event that will trigger the shit.
User avatar
Serial_Worrier
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1549
Joined: Thu 05 Jun 2008, 03:00:00
Top

Re: Saudis have 2.5m barrels spare oil capacity, PFC says

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 23:19:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'W')aiting for Ghawar's collapse any month now. When that happens, TSHTF big time.

Any month now? as in anything from one month to a hundred or do you have some insight that narrows it down to the more immediate future? And then there is the question of how much S... hits how big a F...? What is your take on what will happen the first time a supper tanker pulls up to the pump and there is a paper bag over the handle? A: a bit of chaos and market speculation until rising prices balance demand to supply or B: rapid escalation of resource wars that collapse all our markets and economy? or C; you fill in the blank.


The issue isn't going from Ghawar's current capacity to zero. It's when suddenly over a 1-2 week period it falls 50%. That's the event that will trigger the shit.

I was seeking a mental picture there not precision numbers. Any shortfall or inability to fill orders in a timely way will create the panic you allude to. Do you have any thoughts as to the rest of my question.
User avatar
vtsnowedin
Fusion
Fusion
 
Posts: 14897
Joined: Fri 11 Jul 2008, 03:00:00
Top

Re: Saudis have 2.5m barrels spare oil capacity, PFC says

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 23:24:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'I') was seeking a mental picture there not precision numbers. Any shortfall or inability to fill orders in a timely way will create the panic you allude to. Do you have any thoughts as to the rest of my question.


The inability to fill 100% of orders will trigger a stock market collapse first. Then the housing market will collapse followed by the rest of the economic bubbles. You will see mass defaults(personal and business), unemployment will skyrocket to devastating levels, governments will fall and resource wars will ensue.
User avatar
Serial_Worrier
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1549
Joined: Thu 05 Jun 2008, 03:00:00
Top

Re: Saudis have 2.5m barrels spare oil capacity, PFC says

Unread postby mmasters » Mon 16 Jan 2012, 00:07:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'I') was seeking a mental picture there not precision numbers. Any shortfall or inability to fill orders in a timely way will create the panic you allude to. Do you have any thoughts as to the rest of my question.


The inability to fill 100% of orders will trigger a stock market collapse first. Then the housing market will collapse followed by the rest of the economic bubbles. You will see mass defaults(personal and business), unemployment will skyrocket to devastating levels, governments will fall and resource wars will ensue.

I don't think there's any doubt it's going to pop bubbles but this is doomerish armmegeddon stuff. We still have a lot of oil left, the middle class can be obliterated some more and if the past few years have been any evidence the system can be patched up, modified and the status quo maintained to an extent.
User avatar
mmasters
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 2272
Joined: Sun 16 Apr 2006, 03:00:00
Location: Mid-Atlantic
Top

Re: Saudis have 2.5m barrels spare oil capacity, PFC says

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Mon 16 Jan 2012, 00:13:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'I') was seeking a mental picture there not precision numbers. Any shortfall or inability to fill orders in a timely way will create the panic you allude to. Do you have any thoughts as to the rest of my question.


The inability to fill 100% of orders will trigger a stock market collapse first. Then the housing market will collapse followed by the rest of the economic bubbles. You will see mass defaults(personal and business), unemployment will skyrocket to devastating levels, governments will fall and resource wars will ensue.

All quite possible I suppose but do you think the Exxon's of the world will have their stock collapse when whatever reserves they have in hand have just tripled in value? And how about the defense contractors that will be supplying the material to both sides of the resource wars? Perhaps a major reshuffling of stock values rather then a complete collapse. As to housing, a market for energy efficient housing within walking distance of a job might spring up and defensible doomsteads with food and energy assets attached might become quite pricey. Not so much a bubble bursting as a reassessment of utility and value. If the governments collapse then unemployment checks will cease or more likely become useless due to hyper inflation. When that happens every unemployed person will be fully employed every day trying to survive. Some will, some won't.
User avatar
vtsnowedin
Fusion
Fusion
 
Posts: 14897
Joined: Fri 11 Jul 2008, 03:00:00
Top

Re: Saudis have 2.5m barrels spare oil capacity, PFC says

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Mon 16 Jan 2012, 00:20:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', '[')I don't think there's any doubt it's going to pop bubbles but this is doomerish armmegeddon stuff. We still have a lot of oil left, the middle class can be obliterated some more and if the past few years have been any evidence the system can be patched up, modified and the status quo maintained to an extent.

I don't think doom or armageddon understates the magnitude of the problem. At the same time I think answers will be found rather quickly but not soon enough for many and the final outcome will be much less then the return to the middle ages predicted by many.
User avatar
vtsnowedin
Fusion
Fusion
 
Posts: 14897
Joined: Fri 11 Jul 2008, 03:00:00
Top

Re: Saudis have 2.5m barrels spare oil capacity, PFC says

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Mon 16 Jan 2012, 14:47:19

I didn't even get to the part where the entire supply chain breaks down and there's a run on supermarket food. Within 2 weeks, everyone will have exhausted their food reserve. That's when starvation begins. Imagine entire cities, suburbs with bloated rotting corpses via starvation. Not a pretty sight!
User avatar
Serial_Worrier
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1549
Joined: Thu 05 Jun 2008, 03:00:00

Re: Saudis have 2.5m barrels spare oil capacity, PFC says

Unread postby ralfy » Tue 17 Jan 2012, 08:44:28

Indeed, given a JIT system in various economies.
User avatar
ralfy
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 5651
Joined: Sat 28 Mar 2009, 11:36:38
Location: The Wasteland

U.S. Oil Production Highest Since 2003

Unread postby Graeme » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 19:23:27

Obama Administration: U.S. Oil Production Highest Since 2003

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ccording to a news release posted at the U.S. Department of Energy's website and that of the White House, domestic energy production is the highest it has been since 2003 and the Obama Administration has been active in other energy policies. Here are the details by the numbers.

90,000: More barrels each day of crude oil were produced in the U.S. in 2011 than in 2010.

7.4: Percent that natural gas production grew in the U.S. in 2011 -- the largest year-over-year volumetric increase ever reported.

45: Percent net oil imports in 2011 was the lowest percentage of oil imports to the U.S. since 1995.

338 million: Dollars in total bids from the December oil and gas lease sale held in the Gulf of Mexico. The sale was the first held since the oil spill.

54.5: Miles per gallon fuel standards will be required for model 2017 to 2025 passenger vehicles, the Obama administration announced in January. The administration expects that this increased vehicle performance will save Americans $1.7 trillion over the life of the program.

2.2 million: Fewer barrels of oil a day will be consumed in the U.S. by 2025 due to the fuel economy standards, the administration says, saving 12 billion barrels total over the life of the program.

$90 billion: The Recovery Act invested in clean energy.

40: Clean energy projects have received funding by the Department of Energy's Loan Guarantee Program.

20: Percent increase in Bureau of Land Management onshore oil and gas lease sales revenue in 2011 over 2010, according to a news release from the U.S. Department of the Interior.

256 million: Dollars from the 32 onshore oil and gas lease sales that took place in 2011, offering 1,755 parcels of land over 4.4 million acres. Of those offerings, the DOI reported, 1,296 parcels were sold.

36: Percent BLM oil and gas leases in 2011 were protested -- a decrease from the 47 percent that were protested in 2009.

32: Additional oil and gas lease sales on public lands will be held in 2012, the DOI reported, offering "thousands of parcels in California, Colorado, the Eastern States, Montana, New Mexico, Nevada, Utah and Wyoming."


yahoo
Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe. H. G. Wells.
Fatih Birol's motto: leave oil before it leaves us.
User avatar
Graeme
Fusion
Fusion
 
Posts: 13258
Joined: Fri 04 Mar 2005, 04:00:00
Location: New Zealand
Top

Iraq To Flood World With Oil Starting Next Month

Unread postby babystrangeloop » Sun 12 Feb 2012, 15:49:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Iraq Opens Offshore Oil Facility to Boost Export Capacity
By Kadhim Ajrash and Nayla Razzouk / Bloomberg / February 12, 2012

Iraq, seeking to maximize crude oil exports, opened the first of four planned offshore mooring facilities in the Persian Gulf and intends by March to add 200,000 barrels a day to its capacity for loading tankers there.

The new single-point mooring unit, extending into the sea from the southern oil terminal of Fao, has a potential export capacity of 850,000 barrels a day, Falah al-Amri, chairman of the State Oil Marketing Organization, said in an interview. ...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Iraq opens new Gulf crude export outlet
Francois Murphy / Reuters / February 12, 2012

Iraq opened a new Gulf crude export outlet in the southern oil hub of Basra on Sunday, clearing the way for Baghdad to increase exports by around 300,000 barrels per day soon after crude begins loading.

Loading at the Single Point Mooring or SPM outlet for tankers in the Gulf, part of Iraq's large-scale export facility expansion plan, has already been delayed several times by bad weather and technical hitches.

Oil will be pumped through offshore pipelines in a last test procedure before tankers start loading in a week to 10 days, the head of state-run South Oil Company, Dhiya Jaffar, told Reuters at an opening ceremony for the SPM.

"We expect that exports will increase not less than 250,000 or 300,000 barrels per day," he said. "The plan is to have the first oil inside the tanker within ten days."

If the project goes according to plan, exports from Iraq's southern oilfields will rise to around 1.9 million bpd by March and bring Iraq's total shipments to 2.3 million bpd, the highest level since the 2003 invasion that ousted Saddam Hussein. ...


This is sort of like the opposite of Libya going offline.
babystrangeloop
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 638
Joined: Sat 25 Jun 2011, 04:34:57
Top

Re: Iraq To Flood World With Oil Starting Next Month

Unread postby sjn » Sun 12 Feb 2012, 15:55:35

Adding export capacity in the Persian Gulf isn't the same thing as increasing production capacity. Most likely, this new facility will allow Iraq to redirect oil which is currently exported through pipelines overland through its neighbours allowing it direct access to the world market.
User avatar
sjn
Elite
Elite
 
Posts: 1332
Joined: Wed 09 Mar 2005, 04:00:00
Location: UK

Re: Iraq To Flood World With Oil Starting Next Month

Unread postby babystrangeloop » Sun 12 Feb 2012, 16:06:06

If it comes true it will show up on this chart:
http://www.opec.org/opec_web/en/data_graphs/40.htm
babystrangeloop
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 638
Joined: Sat 25 Jun 2011, 04:34:57

PreviousNext

Return to Peak Oil Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 81 guests