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God is on the side of Tebow and the far Right

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Re: God is on the side of Tebow and the far Right

Postby eXpat » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 13:26:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'N')othing wrong with prayer, as long as the one offering prayer is content that the answer may be "no". Its when people test God with prayer, that's a problem. I prayed for X, and you didn't give me X! WAH! That's just wrong.

Well said, problem is, prayer, for the believer (whether he/she recognizes it or not) IS a bargain. The faithful (whatever their faith) has a dialog with divinity: I give you prayers, you give me this, after all is nothing to you.
Is a bargain and a reassurance thing at the same time.
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Re: God is on the side of Tebow and the far Right

Postby ColossalContrarian » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 13:55:54

Tim Tebow is a good guy and an inspiration to many. He needs to work on his throwing skills but hey... I see Cid wants to beat up on him because he will probably eventually become one of the 1%.
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Re: God is on the side of Tebow and the far Right

Postby Lore » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 14:17:10

An appeal to divine intervention is just a desperate attempt to control and make sence out of life's random circumstances.
The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.
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Re: God is on the side of Tebow and the far Right

Postby dinopello » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 14:18:22

Tebow-mania reached fever pitch after they beat the steelers.

I just heard Bob Jones tell Candy Crowley that policies weren't the issue driving the economy. It was that the US had turned it's back on God. So God had to put the whammy on the economy.
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Re: God is on the side of Tebow and the far Right

Postby Fishman » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 14:19:36

Cid, this is a new low even for you. A football player who exibits his faith, who if were exibiting muslim faith you would be ranting for, loses a game and you rant about other people of faith and politics. So lets flip this on you. If one believes in God then God must TRUELY hate Obama and the Progressives like yourself. Your greatest hope of generations has been a complete failure. Even Obama grumbles about the tsunami crushing Japan and twarting his economic recovery. If God were picking sides, from a libs point of view, you might want to crawl under a rock.

For clarity Cid, if there is no God, your political view is just a failure, if there is a God, he doesn't seem to like it.
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Re: God is on the side of Tebow and the far Right

Postby Lore » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 15:15:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'T')ebow-mania reached fever pitch after they beat the steelers.

I just heard Bob Jones tell Candy Crowley that policies weren't the issue driving the economy. It was that the US had turned it's back on God. So God had to put the whammy on the economy.


So God is now manipulating the free markets? I had a sneaking suspicion he wasn't for capitalism.
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Re: God is on the side of Tebow and the far Right

Postby SilentRunning » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 15:35:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', 'F')unny how when something goes well (i.e someone recovers from a disease contrary to doctors' opinions) then "It's a Miracle". But when a tragedy occurs (someone dies of aggressive cancer at an early age) that's "God's will", and it's "not for us to question".

Kind of selective and self-serving thinking, dontcha think?

Religion is by far not the only place we see emotional behavior causing all kinds of problems, but it drives me crazy, as religion's purpose is supposedly to HELP people.


Religion's purpose IS to help people, it all boils down to which people it helps. The answer, more often than not, is that religion helps the powerful/rich.

Yes, there are exceptions. But in modern America, the most vocal religious voices are those bought and controlled by the elite, to better manipulate the masses.
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Re: God is on the side of Tebow and the far Right

Postby vision-master » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 15:37:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'A')n appeal to divine intervention is just a desperate attempt to control and make sence out of life's random circumstances.



Sorry, your statement is false..... :)


We need to Summon the Spirits...

Instead of

Casting them away.


Ask for the Angels

And

You will be shown four of them

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Re: God is on the side of Tebow and the far Right

Postby Oneaboveall » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 15:47:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', 'G')od asks Aaron Rodgers: "What do you believe?" Rodgers says, "I believe in hard work, and in staying true to family and friends.” God can't help but see the goodness of Rodgers and offers him a seat to his left.

Then God turns to Tim Tebow and says, "What do you believe?" Tebow says, "I believe in your total goodness, love and generosity and that you have given all to mankind.” God is greatly moved by Tebow’s eloquence, and offers him a seat to his right.

Finally, God turns to Tom Brady: "And you, Tom, what do you believe?" Tom replies, "I believe you're in my seat."

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Re: God is on the side of Tebow and the far Right

Postby Lore » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 15:53:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '
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Sorry, your statement is false..... :)


We need to Summon the Spirits...

Instead of

Casting them away.



I often do, and only cast Jack Daniels away when he's empty.
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Re: God is on the side of Tebow and the far Right

Postby vision-master » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 16:00:23

FYI: those messages came from outside myself, from a higher power - enjoy...

I have been writting them down......

How about this one.

Deeper Truths

Are

Met With Many Swords

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Re: God is on the side of Tebow and the far Right

Postby Lore » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 16:05:48

I remember those voices outside myself from a higher power. I believe it was my mother yelling; "get up, you lazy bum, it's time for school!"
The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.
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Re: God is on the side of Tebow and the far Right

Postby vision-master » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 16:11:47

lol - but I'm dead serious. I must have been a Shaman in a former life.
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Re: God is on the side of Tebow and the far Right

Postby ColossalContrarian » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 16:48:01

Funny stuff if you haven't seen them already

Jimmy Fallon skit-> http://www.hulu.com/watch/318731/late-n ... on-tebowie

SNL skit -> http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/ ... ow/1374394

Take a look if you haven't seen them already...
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Re: God is on the side of Tebow and the far Right

Postby yeahbut » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 18:07:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'W')ell said and too true Cloudy. I did a bunch of palliative care work after my dad passed and it is extremely rare for an atheist to hold out to death.


Sounds a bit like that old chestnut "no atheists in a foxhole". Many an atheist combatant has put the lie to that one. I'm guessing that if an 'atheist' suddenly starts praying on his deathbed, he wasn't ever an atheist at all.

I've had one near-death experience (nearly drowned being worked over in very heavy surf and then dragged far out to sea), and I didn't suddenly find that I believed in a higher power and wanted to beg it for mercy or assistance. I felt the deep fear of death. I felt the urge to live at a cellular level that I suspect every organism feels at the approach of death. I stayed calm, fought hard and luckily for me I survived. God didn't get a look-in.

I also think it worth mentioning that only a person of faith would see atheism as 'holding out'! That's a strange idea to me. From where I'm standing, it looks like people of faith are holding out, wilfully suppressing their faculties of reason and rationality.
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Re: God is on the side of Tebow and the far Right

Postby lper100km » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 19:19:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.').... people of faith are holding out, wilfully suppressing their faculties of reason and rationality.

That’s as good a definition of ‘faith’ as I have ever seen!
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Re: God is on the side of Tebow and the far Right

Postby SeaGypsy » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 19:28:04

Too much rationality leads to depression and or suicide. I'm for rationality on my terms and spirituality on my terms. I guess that makes me an egoist.
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Re: God is on the side of Tebow and the far Right

Postby dinopello » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 19:28:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yeahbut', 'S')ounds a bit like that old chestnut "no atheists in a foxhole". Many an atheist combatant has put the lie to that one. I'm guessing that if an 'atheist' suddenly starts praying on his deathbed, he wasn't ever an atheist at all.


I really think that aethiests are very rare. Aethiestism is a faith based religion as much as any. Many of the people that are called aethiest by the religious right just don't subscribe to notions like some dude finding golden tablets of which he is prevented from gathering by an angel but yet can read them with the secret spectacles and that which is written on the tablets of which nobody else can see becomes the basis for a religion. Lots of us who are not aetheists but don't subscribe to notions like these from the organized religions have beliefs based on faith but don't see the point in trying to convince anyone of our personal faith-based beliefs.
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Re: God is on the side of Tebow and the far Right

Postby Cloud9 » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 19:34:52

That's why they don't surrender and get eaten. That is precisely why faith is a survival instinct. The Jim Joneses of the world are a dead end street. The Brigham Youngs of the world are a whole different matter. Look at the social utopias of the 19th century those that were not based on faith fell apart. The ones based on faith lasted much longer. Some of them moved from cult status to major branches of faith.
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Re: God is on the side of Tebow and the far Right

Postby FoolYap » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 19:53:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'I') really think that aethiests are very rare.


"Hello!" [smilie=hello.gif] Atheist here. <-- Note correct spelling. :lol:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'A')ethiestism is a faith based religion as much as any.


I'm sorry, but that's completely silly. The lack of belief in a god, does not make that lack of belief a religion. Else, how's your "church of not believing in Zeus" working out? You realize that even if you don't attend the "not believing in Allah" meetings, your lack of belief makes you a member in that "religion"? :razz:

To say that atheism is a religion is much like saying that "not collecting stamps" is a hobby. Sorry, but it's not.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'M')any of the people that are called aethiest by the religious right just don't subscribe to notions like some dude finding golden tablets of which he is prevented from gathering by an angel but yet can read them with the secret spectacles and that which is written on the tablets of which nobody else can see becomes the basis for a religion. Lots of us who are not aetheists but don't subscribe to notions like these from the organized religions have beliefs based on faith but don't see the point in trying to convince anyone of our personal faith-based beliefs.


Atheists don't believe in the Christian god, or in any god. That lack of belief is based simply on a complete lack of evidence for such things. I assure you, if Yaweh, or Odin, or Ra, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster were to appear to all of us (but most especially the scientific community) and offer incontrovertible evidence of existence and omnipotent powers, I would rethink of my lack of belief!

Nor is the "burden of disproof" on me and other atheists. I can't disprove the existence of the Christian god, so I don't waste my time trying. (To anyone who says otherwise, I ask them to disprove that Odin exists.) If you believe in him, that's your right in this country, and I'd never say otherwise. Indeed, I'd fight for your right to believe as you wish! I only get my back up when someone tries to force their particular religious beliefs into the public sector -- schools, laws, etc.

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