[highlander]

Thanks for that helpful information.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'B')ad idea is bad.
You should, instead, go sit under a tree with some lemonade and throw nerf balls at kids.
Spill proof cup is advised.

[AgentR11]

They keep throwing t-bones and imported beer at me... what can I say.

[Cog]

Its all good until someone gets poked in the eye with a stick.

[eXpat]

Well, well, the cherry on top of the cake...
New Bill Known As Enemy Expatriation Act Would Allow Government To Strip Citizenship Without Conviction
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')irst, Congress considered the National Defense Authorization Act, sections of which gave the President the authority to use the military to arrest and indefinitely detain Americans without trial or charge. The language was revised because of strong condemnation from the American people. But now a new bill has emerged that poses yet another threat to the American citizenry.

Congress is considering HR 3166 and S. 1698 also known as the Enemy Expatriation Act, sponsored by Joe Lieberman (I-CT) and Charles Dent (R-PA). This bill would give the US government the power to strip Americans of their citizenship without being convicted of being “hostile” against the United States. In other words, you can be stripped of your nationality for “engaging in, or purposefully and materially supporting, hostilities against the United States.” Legally, the term “hostilities” means any conflict subject to the laws of war but considering the fact that the War on Terror is a little ambiguous and encompassing, any action could be labeled as supporting terrorism. Since the Occupy movement began, conservatives have been trying to paint the protesters as terrorists.
The new law would change a part of US Code 1481 which can be read in full here. Compare 3166 to 1481 and the change is small. The new section makes no reference to being convicted as it does in section (7). So even though the language of the NDAA has been revised to exclude American citizens, the US government merely has to strip Americans of their citizenship and the NDAA will apply. And they will be able to do so without convicting the accused in a court of law.

I hope I’m wrong, but it sounds to me like this is a loophole for indefinitely detaining Americans. Once again, you just have to be accused of supporting hostilities which could be defined any way the government sees fit. Then the government can strip your citizenship and apply the indefinite detention section of the NDAA without the benefit of a trial. This certainly must be questioned by American citizens. The way these defense obsessed Republicans think, our rights are always in danger of being taken away.

[AgentR11]

Be not concerned, by hook or crook, gradually wearing down by continuously repeating slightly different language meaning the same thing; those in power will get what they want no matter how much you protest or scream.

Time for opposition was twenty years ago.
The time now is for keeping your head down.
Or at worse, keep the fuss-making on the net where its impotent and non-threatening.

[eXpat]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'B')e not concerned, by hook or crook, gradually wearing down by continuously repeating slightly different language meaning the same thing; those in power will get what they want no matter how much you protest or scream.

Time for opposition was twenty years ago.
The time now is for keeping your head down.
Or at worse, keep the fuss-making on the net where its impotent and non-threatening.

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I')ts all good until someone gets poked in the eye with a stick.

[rangerone314]

Mass civil disobedience would have an impact. I say goad them into showing their true colors, into murdering unarmed citizens and then witness what a society that is armed to the teeth can do when unleashed on their so-called "masters".

Eventually the conservative Tea Party types and the liberal OWS types are going to figure out that the elitists, lobbyists and their Congressional whores are the real enemy and the divide and conquer BS will stop working, and then it gets ugly for the elites.

Poll?
How many of you think the Patriot Act originated with that Vietnamese guy who now works for News Corp and how many think it originated with Biden in 1995.

I think we need to figure out an organization chart for these f**kers who are pushing for fascism and publish it on the web.

[AgentR11]

Sorry, Ranger... being leader for the occupying forces violates my preference for avoiding notice. Besides, there are no occupying forces, there is only our democratically elected government. How can one justifying standing against the expressed will of The People?

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'S')orry, Ranger... being leader for the occupying forces violates my preference for avoiding notice. Besides, there are no occupying forces, there is only our democratically elected government. How can one justifying standing against the expressed will of The People?

[Newfie]

My personal belief is that the forces which will take us down are far beyond our ability to effect.

I opt for trying, quietly, to find a way for me and mine to survive.

This nasty little law is but a ripple compared to the tidal wave that will eventually overtake us.

Resistance if futile for we have met the enemy, and he is us.

Cheers.

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'M')y personal belief is that the forces which will take us down are far beyond our ability to effect.

I opt for trying, quietly, to find a way for me and mine to survive.

This nasty little law is but a ripple compared to the tidal wave that will eventually overtake us.

Resistance if futile for we have met the enemy, and he is us.

Cheers.

[AgentR11]

I don't recognize the face, I think I've seen it before, but can't place it.
Little help?

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'I') don't recognize the face, I think I've seen it before, but can't place it.
Little help?

[Cloud9]

It is moral to resist an immoral law. For the arrests to be carried out, requires the cooperation of the people.

[Cog]

The more complicated they make the plumbing, the easier it is to gum up the works.--Scotty

[Pops]

Just finished "The Jihad Next Door", about the Lackawanna Six.

Good short read about some Americans who went to prison for looking like they were about to do something, maybe, or at least looked like they were, maybe, in the future, even though they had made no plans to do anything. They definitely did watch a video.

And it also talks about Kamal Derwish an American executed by drone, without trial or indictment, in '02.

[SeaGypsy]

Pops, call me paranoid, but I'm not even going to click on that.
I would like to read some of these jihadist sites and check out the propoganda, but I know too much about how the net works to even go there.
Edit; I couldn't resist, probably won't get hammered too bad for looking at wiki articles

[Pops]

LOL! Those are just Wikipedia links.