[SeaGypsy]

Australian SAS Survival Manual.
Poor Man's James Bond.
Permaculture 3.
Fishing/ trapping/ hunting guides.
Anything on primitive housing/ boatbuilding/ transport tech.
Psychology/ behavioural diagnostics manuals.
Maps.
Folk medicine as particular to your bio-region.
Basic chemistry.
Applied recycling tech/ green energy solutions in micro application.
Water purification methodologies.

Ultimately though there is no alternative to real experience when it comes to learning anything important. I agree with PStarr; better to think how to get out of the trap you find yourself in, to somewhere you can have some breathing space from the oppressor and really find yourself. Circling around the darkest regions of collective reasoning impotently calling out "Woah! The End Is Nigh" etc. achieves little in the scheme of things besides damaging ones own mental health and calling ones self to the attention of authorities who are actually as paranoid as you and target specificly your type of rhetoric.

[bochen280]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'A')ustralian SAS Survival Manual.
Poor Man's James Bond.
Permaculture 3.
Fishing/ trapping/ hunting guides.
Anything on primitive housing/ boatbuilding/ transport tech.
Psychology/ behavioural diagnostics manuals.
Maps.
Folk medicine as particular to your bio-region.
Basic chemistry.
Applied recycling tech/ green energy solutions in micro application.
Water purification methodologies.

Ultimately though there is no alternative to real experience when it comes to learning anything important. I agree with PStarr; better to think how to get out of the trap you find yourself in, to somewhere you can have some breathing space from the oppressor and really find yourself. Circling around the darkest regions of collective reasoning impotently calling out "Woah! The End Is Nigh" etc. achieves little in the scheme of things besides damaging ones own mental health and calling ones self to the attention of authorities who are actually as paranoid as you and target specificly your type of rhetoric.

[SeaGypsy]

No, that's what they have already been doing for a very long time. What they will do is sail away on their mega yachts to quaff with the rich and famous on their private islands while New Rome burns in the distance.

[bochen280]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'N')o, that's what they have already been doing for a very long time. What they will do is sail away on their mega yachts to quaff with the rich and famous on their private islands while New Rome burns in the distance.

[SeaGypsy]

The only thing that will maintain the authority of the TPTB is TSQ. Which means more of the same: war/ famine/ resource concentration/ redistribution & lots and lots of psy-ops.
When push comes to shove they are as dependent on the system as anyone else and no more than 4 times removed from the rest of us.
BTW, if you think you can't set up damn close to a closed loop perpetual mini ag system with unlimited financial recourse, then sustain you and yours for at least many hundreds of years into the future, you lack a certain kind of imagination.

[PrestonSturges]

Check out survivalblog.com. I'm pretty sure you can download archives. They are especially good on ham and marine radio.

They have an interesting model for generating content where every month is a writing contest.

[bochen280]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '
')BTW, if you think you can't set up damn close to a closed loop perpetual mini ag system with unlimited financial recourse, then sustain you and yours for at least many hundreds of years into the future, you lack a certain kind of imagination.

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('etheris', 'T')ragedy of the commons. The problem is everyone will start thinking that way and no one will be able to make it viable.
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[bochen280]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('etheris', 'T')ragedy of the commons. The problem is everyone will start thinking that way and no one will be able to make it viable.
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[SeaGypsy]

Actually I was just humoring you. There is not 1 original thought in what you have said here; the topics have been gone over ad-infinitum. I guess the real point is: did you start this thread to espouse the Conspiracy To Control Die Off or to talk about books?

[bochen280]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'A')ctually I was just humoring you. There is not 1 original thought in what you have said here; the topics have been gone over ad-infinitum. I guess the real point is: did you start this thread to espouse the Conspiracy To Control Die Off or to talk about books?

[SeaGypsy]

Just bought a new Epson the other day, $25.00 with a few extra inks, paper was $5.00 a thousand sheets. They make their inks with a 100 year colourfast garauntee so plain black on white should be ok for a few hundred?

[bochen280]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'J')ust bought a new Epson the other day, $25.00 with a few extra inks, paper was $5.00 a thousand sheets. They make their inks with a 100 year colourfast garauntee so plain black on white should be ok for a few hundred?

[SeaGypsy]

"Store not thou treasure where rust and rot dust do decay"
Do you know the rest of it?
It's about being and doing right being more important than having the right things. Another analogy could be about the only hard drive we can really rely on being around for any length of time in any usefull manner is the soft one between our ears and our chidren's ears.

[AgentR11]

"downloading the internet".. now there's an image of futility.

There are no permanent digital media. All digital files are susceptible to bit rot, and time kills them much faster than books. Only a continuous plan of error detection, recovery, and archiving is sufficient to keep data reliable; and having done such a thing for many years, I have a mountain of dead hard drives, roasted dvd and cd burners, unreadable, degraded dvd and cd media, useless old floppy disks, even going back to 5.25" 360k. Ancient reel tape, old 8mm DAT, it *ALL* dies, and it all dies much faster than you might wish.

If the net goes down, your ability to keep data unaltered will have long since passed away.

Short of printing, nothing is even close to sufficient; and even then I have notes and books that have been nibbled by silverfish or whatever.

If the net goes down, it indicates the game is over anyway. Just accept your EBT card, try to buy smartly with the pittance of an allowance you are given, and keep your head down.

[bochen280]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '&')quot;downloading the internet".. now there's an image of futility.

There are no permanent digital media. All digital files are susceptible to bit rot, and time kills them much faster than books. Only a continuous plan of error detection, recovery, and archiving is sufficient to keep data reliable; and having done such a thing for many years, I have a mountain of dead hard drives, roasted dvd and cd burners, unreadable, degraded dvd and cd media, useless old floppy disks, even going back to 5.25" 360k. Ancient reel tape, old 8mm DAT, it *ALL* dies, and it all dies much faster than you might wish.

If the net goes down, your ability to keep data unaltered will have long since passed away.

Short of printing, nothing is even close to sufficient; and even then I have notes and books that have been nibbled by silverfish or whatever.

If the net goes down, it indicates the game is over anyway. Just accept your EBT card, try to buy smartly with the pittance of an allowance you are given, and keep your head down.

[bochen280]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '&')quot;Store not thou treasure where rust and rot dust do decay"
Do you know the rest of it?
It's about being and doing right being more important than having the right things. Another analogy could be about the only hard drive we can really rely on being around for any length of time in any usefull manner is the soft one between our ears and our chidren's ears.

[AgentR11]

Note the word "rated".
The environmental conditions required for the rating are unmeetable in a world that can't even keep the internet running.

Sure, they'll last longer than the cd, and dvd media, if written properly, and stored in appropriate environmental conditions; but now put yourself in the world where you *need* that blu-ray. Does your bluray drive still work? Are you able to find a low humidity, roomtemp environment to take the disk out. Do you have a reliable media to write to from the disc? You aren't possibly thinking of reading from the disk repeatedly, subjecting it to continuous mechanical strain, are you?

Ten years after the net fails, and your rig has been subjected to hundreds of power anomalies; your ups' have long since failed, and you're working on a jury-rigged lead acid cell, exactly how is that blu-ray disc going to help you, even if the media remains unchanged? I'm just not seeing it as realistic, and certainly not worthy of entrusting something important too.

If I HAD to bet on some physical digital media; I'd probably go with a bag full of CF cards, rotate and refresh,so that they get a rewrite, no more than once a month, and no less than once a year. Its a very durable form factor, and as long as refreshed often enough, could manage to keep a dataset valid for a lifetime without relying on a mechanical drive, or exacting environmental conditions. But even there, its the willingness to carry out the regular maintenance that will insure the data's validity. The card's characteristics just make it possible. Keeping a computer running that long after the death of the net is a modest problem itself, but the ubiquity of CF readers/writers and their durability (no mechanical parts), should keep access within the possible as long as some machine can be found. (and if no cpu can be found functional, you no longer have a use for the digital data anyway.)

[Whitefang]

Then what is it you want to keep from harm?
What is worth having after collapse?
Ok, I did buy the Smithsonian Earth, Human, Animal and the Universe......

If we had only PO and everything, TPTB might make it through but now with runaway CC, collapse will be too fast to maintain control. War of terror first for greed, now it is for survival, as person, family or power that were.
Since they will die the same death as we, best indeed to keep low and head up where Northwest BC is best. Be nomad, mobile hunter gatherer instead doomfarmer.
I always found that cute place near Birkenhead lake a fine basecamp, blackwaterlake infested with flowerpower peaceloving individuals reaching for the spirit, the unknown.
You'll have to get out of town in time though.
Unless you have a private army with soldiers willing to die for you, you cannot defend your castle against the hungry.

[Cog]

I do not forsee the post-collapse period as a time for hours of leisurly reading in the comfort of my bunker/doomstead. Instead I see it as a time for constant toil to feed and protect myself.